Talk:Miriam González Durántez

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Notable

Given the rather extensive media coverage of MGD lately, and the significant articles on Sarah Brown and Samantha Cameron, I thought I'd get this one rolling. Hopefully we can get it to A class by the election. SmokingNewton (talk) 15:28, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure at the moment she is Notable in her own right. Codf1977 (talk) 15:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd argue that given the focus of the British media on leaders' wives lately, and that she has appeared in interviews with multiple major news sources over a series of years, she's definitely notable. I can find more than passing documentation of her in more than 5 serious news outlets. SmokingNewton (talk) 20:15, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Think you are right the media have made her notable.Codf1977 (talk) 21:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Spain's "Popular Party"

Who said that PP was a center-right party? They have always been right and I may say far-right. Its founder was a Minister under the Franco fascist regime and they have not condemned that regime. They are now supporting the radical movements that were created under Franco's rule (Falange Española). Unless you guys have a better argument, I am going to change that part. 71.198.35.250 (talk) 16:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Birth name

If you edit the page, it shows that she was born "Jill Tracy Jacobs" (although this doesn't appear to readers) which is actually the birth name of the American vice-president's wife. I'm assuming this is an error and removing it. Earldelawarr (talk) 13:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Please remove errors when you are certain. When the wrong name has been added deliberately, it is called vandalism. The edit summary "rvv" is widely understood to mean "revert vandalism". Snowman (talk) 20:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Linguistic barriers?

It says in the article that "she would be unable to take time off from work and her family life to take part [in the general election campaign], although linguistic barriers also seem to have influenced this decision". This last claim does not have a source and, mind you, it would seem rather odd for a partner at a top UK law firm to have problems communicating effectively in English. If nobody opposes, I favour deleting the reference altogether. 212.124.244.131 (talk) 15:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Succession To The Crown Bill

Did this woman cast undue influence on Nick Clegg to allow Roman Catholics to marry into the British royal line? Clegg himself is an atheist with absolutely no interest in religion yet he pushed that part of the Bill hard. Twobells (talk) 23:49, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Surname

This seems to continue to be changed, and then reverted, but by all accounts Miriam "Clegg" is only referred to by her husband's surname by the press in order to identify her as Nick Clegg's spouse. She has made clear that her name remains "Gonzalez Durantez" (not just "professionally", but legally and for all purposes). Should this article not therefore be for "Miriam Gonzalez Durantez"? 89.206.227.99 (talk) 11:52, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely agree, I've changed the body of the article to reflect this and would like someone to move the page itself to a place that reflects her actual name. 77.86.55.217 (talk) 23:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted it. The current location reflects her WP:COMMONNAME as it's how she's best known. No source has been offered to support a change. Has she complained publicly about the usage? 82.132.217.83 (talk) 10:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re "how she's best known": "Miriam Gonzalez Durantez" 224 000 results compared with "Miriam Clegg" 15 600 results, so you may wish to reconsider. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:21, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here she is writing an article herself in The Daily Telegraph about www.inspiringthefuture.org and using Miriam González Durántez. Also BBC News "Samantha Cameron and Miriam Gonzalez Durantez inspire at jobs' fair", 22 January 2014 and The Guardian "Lib Dems deny Nick Clegg's wife was behind challenge to Lord Rennard; Party insists stories are baseless suggesting Miriam González Durántez had role in Lib Dem leader's call for apology", 22 January 2014

Taken together they are strong evidence for the correct form of her surname. Nedrutland (talk) 14:50, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also worth noting that bodies such as LibDem Voice never refer to her as "Miriam Clegg" [1]. The Telegraph also notes that she uses the name Miriam Gonzalez Durantez rather than Miriam Clegg [2]. Gov.UK does not refer to her as Mrs Clegg [3]. The Observer uses Gonzalez Durantez in its profile [4]. All in all, I think there is a far stronger body of evidence to call her by her actual name, rather than the mistakenly attributed name used by some media outlets. 77.86.55.217 (talk) 15:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Telegraph [5], Evening Standard [6] and Sky [7] all note in passing the different professional use, which probably causes the confusion and some of those articles are reflecting the professional use. 82.132.237.233 (talk) 00:08, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be significant evidence she is NOT Clegg and that naming her here as such is incorrect. If anyone has evidence to the contrary can they speak up or I will look to move this page and correct the name to the one the woman herself uses.-- 🍺 Antiqueight ^confer 21:25, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 02 September 2014

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 23:43, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Miriam Clegg → Miriam González Durántez – When Miriam González Durántez married Nick Clegg, she did not change her name. She is occasionally and incorrectly referred to as "Miriam Clegg" by members of the media hostile to Mr Clegg and his party. Cjw500 (talk) 14:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Support Nedrutland (talk) 15:20, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support While I'm not convinced she's called Miriam Clegg out of hostility (please don't put something of that sort in the article without citing it well), it certainly isn't her legal name, or otherwise the name she's commonly known by. —innotata 02:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Requested move - October 2014

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 01:32, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Miriam González Durántez → Miriam Clegg – Miriam Clegg is the common name: [8]. It is for this reason we have articles at United Kingdom, not United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Bill Clinton, not William Jefferson Clinton and FIFA, not Fédération Internationale de Football Association. 131.111.185.66 (talk) 11:40, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I'm a big supporter of WP:COMMONNAME, but it seems that this subject never changed her name to Clegg after marriage, and bills herself both professionally and publicly with her official last name. I realize that many sources call her Clegg because she is most often associated with her notable husband, but I do not think this is a reason to use an inaccurate title.--Yaksar (let's chat) 16:26, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for reasons already given on the page above. And is this the way it should be proposed? - "Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review." Nedrutland (talk) 08:07, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this was just renamed last month, shouldn't this have gone to WP:MRV ? -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 15:23, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Spanish

Currently the article has a citation from the Daily Mail to verify that she is a Spanish citizen, and another that says this requires a better source. But does anyone really dispute that she is Spanish? I see no evidence on this talk page that her Spanish citizenship is in dispute or has been challenged. Later in the article there are sections where it talks about her not being a British citizen, and a long quote from a Guardian interview where she talks aboit being from Spain. As per WP:V

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has her Spanish nationality ever been challenged, and is it ever likely to be challenged? If not, let's just remove the citation. Some things are not actually in dispute. Alun (talk) 07:24, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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