Talk:Miley Stewart/Archive 1

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Miles?

Her first name is Miles? - I must've missed an episode. When did they say thay say that?? Baby16 00:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that's vandalism, or it's a nickname. Also, stop vandalising all the other freakin' articles, for all you IP adresses! My eyes might be closed, but my brain is on red alert! Bibliomaniac15 22:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

k on almost every episode jackson calls her miles!!!!!!!

Jackson calls Miley "Miles". Bibliomaniac15 21:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Oliver also calls Miley "Miles" in Good Golly Miss Dolly —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamingangel44 (talk • contribs) 01:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of vandalism I just erased a "Hannah Montana wrestlemania undefeated streak" Urena198 22:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

And I just erased a "Miley has a twin named Hannah" thing! What the heck is going on?! Somebody should lock the artickle!! Pokemon Buffy Titan (talk) 10:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Miles is just a nickname, NOT her name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bfmbridge (talk • contribs) 21:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Move Section Miley Cyrus

There is already a Page on Miley Cyrus. Should we just delete the information, because it is supposed to be informed on the fictional character, not the actor. Aznime 20:11, 25 March 2007

Article Name

Personally, I don't like the article name. The "/" makes it seems...unproffessional. Perhaps an article on Miley Stewart and another article on Hannah Montana, the character. DoomsDay349 22:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, the "/" indicated a subpage, which is not good. DoomsDay349 22:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The "/" has to go. But should the ultimate article title be "Hannah Montana (character)" or "Miley Stewart"?Rhindle The Red 05:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Requested Move

Naming the article "Miley Stewart" would eliminate the need for disambiguation and it is the more accurate name for the character. Miley is also the name by which Disney refers to the character,[1] so no reason to go against Disney. --Bobblehead 23:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree ^^ that is her "real" name in the tv series and there's too many articles that start with 'hannah montana...' - Natasha1994 14:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Just put everything about this show on 3 or 4 articles, and everything is perfect!!!! If you disagree, please put down a statement.--69.236.179.41 23:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we should make the article "Miley Stewart" and have information such as "She plays as Hannah Montana" in the article! :^) §†SupaSoldier†§ 23:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Image Question

Question: Why was the image located at [[Image:HannahMontanaOriginalVersion1.jpg|left|thumbnail|200px|Miley performing as [[Hannah Montana]].]] removed and replaced? Far as I can see, two images can't hurt. DoomsDay349 22:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Does anybody think that they should have a pcture of her as Miley Stewart instead of Hannah Montana? This article is made for Mily Stewart not Hannah Montana.Hollister QT 00:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

This picture is SOOO much better: http://www.fansitefreaks.com/miley/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=365&pos=169

Birthdate

Miley Stewart's birthdate is May 12, 1992— the air date of the episode "It's a Mannequin's World" where it's Miley's birthday was May 12, 2006. Stephe1987 09:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

It really isn't known when Miley STEWART's birthday is. And just because the episode "It's a Mannequin's World" was aired on May 12th it does NOT mean that her birthday is that date. This episode has been showed many times, so there is no way to know when Miley Stewart's birthday is. So it is unknown. Madisonxsophie 03:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Most of the time the original air date is how the birthdates of TV characters are found. Lol. Look at Full House's Michelle Tanner. The original air date of the episode was May 12, 2006. :) Stephe1987 02:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Say what? WAVY 10 02:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Air dates do not equal birthdates. Many episodes are aired out of order and aren't aired the same day in every country. If we follow the birthdate=air date logic, then a character could have 7 different birthdays (Talk about a lot of presents). --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 02:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Several different days were shown in that episode, her birthday and the days running up to it. If her birthdate is the airdate then surely the other days are too. And that doesn't make any sense!!! Mouseinthehouse 16:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The dates of birth in the lead and in the infobox contradict each other. This needs to be fixed immediately by someone who is knowledgeable about the topic. -- drumguy8800 C T 21:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It was once said that Miley Cyrus and the character Miley Stewart were "born" 6 months apart; however that information was not verifiable. I agree that it needs to be fixed ASAP but I don't want to make an incorrect change. I will look for a verifiable source, and if I find one, I will post it here and then make the change to the article. Rockerbaby 22:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Birthdate cannot be consistently determined. The date an episode airs does not match the date of the episode. First episode of season 2 had date being start of school, probably this fall. Makes Miley 14 by rules of grade 9 entry. She would have to turn 15 after start of grade 9 so can't be 15 now. --NrDg 22:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Season 1 would determine that her birthday is 12 May 1992, as I said before. But in season 2, she said she was 14, even in episodes that aired in June, so this is not the case. Also, I'd like to point out that the "rules of grade 9 entry" are nonexistant and ridiculous. In California, where I'm from, the cutoff date is December 1st, but I also knew someone in my grade who was a year and a week older than I was and I was born in August!!! Stephe1987 04:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no definite age for a 9th grader. Age does not determine your grade though it is used as a rule of thumb, I know 13year olds who started 9th grade. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 04:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to defend myself on this. Rules for Kindergarten entry are pretty strongly enforced for a lot of states. Cutoff date for Tennessee is Sept 30 so if you turn 5 in Sept you go to kindergarten. On the other hand parents do have some discretion if they can prove their kid is too immature so it is possible to wait a year but this is rare. Also after school starts some kids can be advanced or held back because of academic achievement, but this is also rare. So, although it is not proof, the vast majority of people who started school in Tennessee will be 14 or very close to 14 at the start of grade 9. This all is moot now anyways as it is stated explicitly on the show that Miley was 14 at grade 9 entry. --NrDg 15:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Her birthday is November 23rd, that's the date on her driver's licence. Babygirl57 (talk) 17:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

And if you look in the article you will see that is what the article currently says is her birthdate and the driver's license is used as the reference. --NrDg 18:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Is a citation necessary for age (infobox) if there is a reference (mentioned above) for the character's exact birthday? Lwebdan (talk) 17:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I know it is picky but we can't presume events shown in an episode correspond to an actual broadcast date. I am certain there is an episode that explicitly states she is 16, I just don't remember which one off hand. Actually having a driver's license would show 16 if we can get a reference that shows that is a requirement in California to be 16 to have one. Still any episode that mentions her age would be easiest. --NrDg 18:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

4-story house

In what episode was the house mentioned to have 4 storeys? - Disney768User 09:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I have no clue. I don't watch HM very often, but from what I saw their house was two stories. If she lived in a 4-story house that would mean she lived in a mansion or something (unless you count a basement or attic as a "story"). And that would make no sense because she's supposed to be living a normal life, and I'm sure her school friends probably knew where she lived. People would get suspicious and wonder why three people (Miley, dad, brother) needed a 4-story house to live in. Stephe1987 05:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

She doesn't.. I mean, sure, who wouldn't want a four-story-house? But, then again, she's Hannah Montana, and if she did, people would look for Hannah's house.. and if Hannah's is the biggest(which I think it is, but not four story) people would find Miley's(well whoever was there who knew Miley)house. Plus, I mean, who could afford one? I mean most people(normal, not rich people) own 1 or 2 story, or rent them. It's VERY rare that someone owns(not rents)a mansion, even though there is lots of rich neighborhoods, but houses with normal people(not rich) people outrun them. Megan :) 06:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought about it. Miley's house does have atleast 3 bathrooms. (Robby's, Miley's, and Jackson's) So, there house must be atleast 2 story..

Megan :) 18:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC) 02:18, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

The house was never mentioned to be 4 stories. The first episode was leaked out onto the internet weeks before the actual pilot (before it was retooled) making their house look more like a 4-story mansion than how it really is, if that's what you were referring to. ;-) ZSoraz 04:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

People Knowing Miley/Hannah's secret

should i add Nichole Stewart as people knowing her secret in her dreams but in the show, she's dead but she knows miley is hannah in her dream

Does Aunt Dolly know Miley is Hannah? Should I add her?Nguyen 11:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Does it matter? This isn't a fansite. We don't need to list every character that knows who she is. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 17:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Dolly knows Miley is Hannah. But I'm not sure where she should go... Stephe1987 04:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, It kind of does. Only about 6 or 7(not counting her family in Malibu) people know. Lilly's mom, Oliver's mom(She drove Hannah and Oliver to the Hannah Halloween party),Aunt Dolly, Leslie Ryan(Jake),Luanne, Bobby Ray Stewart, so on.

I'm not even sure any other family in Tennessee know. Megan :) 05:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Who is Nichole? She seems like a made up "Mom" name for Mrs. Stewart. I think Mrs. Stewart was a bit strict. Megan :) 03:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Nicole is a fanfic name for Miley's mom. Some people get fanfic and canon mixed up. --NrDg 03:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Her late mom's name is Susan, as mentioned on the site.Dshibshm (talk) 01:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

What About All The People... In Crowley Corners TN. That Know Her Secret ? Shouldent It Say Someware That Some People There Know It ? Like "Numerous People/Townfolk in Crowley Corners TN" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddouglasinc (talk • contribs) 05:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Relatives

Robert "Robby" Ray Stewart, father
Jackson Stewart, brother
Susan Stewart, mom
Aunt Dolly, godmother
Shaggy Stewart, cousin
Scooby Stewart, cousin
Luanne Stewart, cousin
Bobby Ray Stewart, uncle
Earl Stewart, uncle
Pearl Stewart, aunt
Max Stewart, aunt
Petunia Stewart, aunt
Ruthie "Mamaw" Stewart, grandmother
Clara Stewart, great-aunt

Under relatives, shouldn't Aunt Dolly be included, or was she a godmother or something? In the episode Good Golly, Miss Dolly. - Natasha1994 15:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Aunt Dolly was the godmother. Hollister QT 00:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Aunt Dolly was her godmother. Her last name was never mentioned on the show. --NrDg 22:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Aunt Dolly is Dolly Parton —Preceding unsigned comment added by Traumaking (talk • contribs) 14:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

should i add all those relatives mentioned on the show? like uncle earl and aunt pearl!

No,you shouldn't because we don't have a lot of information on them, unless the are in the show,not just mentioned.

I think Dolly is an important family friend, but she's not a family member; she is Miley's godmother, not the grandmother. :) Stephe1987 04:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

This is on the edge. A lot of people consider godparents part of the family. For this article leaving her in this section seems appropriate to me. --NrDg 15:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

For starters, please sign your comments! Thanks.

Secondly, Aunt Dolly is both a important family friend, and a godmother, so if Robby died(in the show, obviously),

I suppose she'd be the legal guardian, if anything happened to Miley and Jackson, she'd get custody(she wouldn't if Mrs.Stewart lived).

And Lastly, where in the world does it say Miley's Mom's name is Nicole? 0_o..(confused)

Megan :) 05:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Middle name

It has been established that Miley's middle name is pronounced the same as Robbie Ray's. No spelling has been given in the show although "Rae" seems reasonable as a feminine looking homonym. So I have no problem going with that spelling. However there seems to be a bit of an edit war about where to use this name in the article. I suggest that 1 mention in the article with a cite is sufficient. Replace all mentions of Miley Stewart with Miley Rae Stewart seems wrong as that is not how she is commonly known. --NrDg 16:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I made the change to just reference her middle name once with a cite to the episode where it was defined. If there is an objection to this, please comment in this discussion. --NrDg 23:06, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:NAMES gives the answer. Full name required in opening paragraph and only in opening paragraph. Most common name is in title and other uses. --NrDg 02:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The episode gave a pronunciation of her middle name to sound the same as her fathers middle name. There is nothing in print that shows how to spell the name. The choices are Ray and Rae. I have found Rae used as a woman's first name a number of times with a quick web search so I think that is the more likely spelling. Ray seems to be short for Raymond. I suggest we stick with "Rae" until we get better information. --NrDg 02:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I have closed captioning on my TV and in the episode "I want you to want me.. to go to Florida", Robby Ray yells Miley Ray!, so which is why I reverted it to "Ray"Megan :) 05:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Closed caption is evidence so make a reference to it in the article and make the change. I'm not sure that counts as a verifiable reference. --NrDg 12:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought about it some more and made change including the closed caption reference. Thanks. --NrDg 12:50, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

When is this episode does he say her name? I watched it and don't recall it ever being stated. And closed captioning does not count for a reliable source as it in inacurate. I have seen the closed caption for shows alternate between name spellings in a single name, as well as the closed captioning for Charmed often has the wrong lyrics for the theme song. We're gonna need a more reliable source than closed captioning, and if one can't be found we'll need to remove it per WP:V. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 15:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

It is a verifiable fact that her name is pronounced the same as Robby Ray Stewart's middle name. Robby Ray said it when he was yelling at Miley at the end of the argument. What is missing is a verifiable spelling of that name. The closed captioning is the only indication we have of spelling. I tend to give the close captioning of scripted shows more credence than on the fly closed captioning as the script is available to the captioner. I seen no reason to remove the middle name because of an ambiguity on spelling. We need to leave the middle name in as it has been established with a primary source. --NrDg 15:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

But we have no source for the spelling. Without a source for the spelling, we can't really add it, unless you make a note that it could be spelled either way. As I said before, closed captioning is unreliable, the closed captioning for The Suite Life of Zack and Cody alternates between Zach and Zack, the closed captioning for Charmed gets the theme lyrics wrong, often, and I've seen shows where the closed captioning differs completely from what they actually say. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 15:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

And don't forget how sometimes closed captioning can display complete jibberish. WAVY 10 19:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I changed the note in the reference to show the possible alternative spelling. Since we made no conclusion and just stated the facts as known, this should be an appropriate way to leave that fact in. --NrDg 16:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

But, sometimes my closed captioning is wrong. Once in a Hannah Episode, she goes to Singing with the Stars, and Lily says 'I may have used a little too much green. Miley says*in closed captioning*'Yeah Thanks.'

Though, it sounded like 'Ya Think' But I think it's correct. I'm sure. Because not many people have the nickname or middle name of "Rae" that's Raven's nickname on That's so Raven, so I'm sure they wouldn't copy her nickname spelling.. Megan :) 21:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought about it.. It seems as if it would be more as "Ray" because well, Miley probably would have been named after her father in the show.. Megan :) 03:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually on the Life's What You Make It DVD the subtitles say "Ray" --- kiarawalker14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiarawalker14 (talk • contribs) 04:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicky Stewart?

Since she isn't a real relative, shouldn't we take her off the Hannah Montana Characters list at the bottom? I would, but I don't know if there is a specific way you have to. ZSoraz 16:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I took this character off the list. Has shown up a couple of times in the article in the past, and was a made up Mom's name and Miley middle name for a while. Someone is just adding fake information to the article. --NrDg 16:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Well.. I suggest we keep calling Miley's mother, "Mom" Stewart, until Robby Ray just "happens" to mention her name. Megan :) 03:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

A picture in TV Guide showed Miley's mom in a flashback in a waitress uniform with the name tag "Susan". That episode has not been shown yet so we probably don't want to change it in the article until the episode airs. --NrDg 03:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It has aired, but I live in the UK so anyway her name is Susan --- kiarawalker14 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiarawalker14 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

User:AntiSkeeter

Keep an eye out for this user, who has vandalized this article twice by claiming the character as a murderer. WAVY 10 21:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC) I put in another warning on user's talk page. After 4 escalating warnings you can request the user to be banned. --NrDg 21:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Luckily, he's been banned.

Which is better then him vandalizing articles. Megan :) 18:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for SemiProtection

I request for SemiProtection of this article because as we've seen it's a lot of vandalism & for that I mean we should have this article SemiProtected so we might get less vandalism --Kanonkas 18:58, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I definitely agree. Mimiwhite 22:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested - admins will decide. --NrDg 23:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

protected --NrDg 23:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Airhead?

Is it just me, or did the writers seem to portray Miley as more of an airhead in Season 2 (as opposed to Season 1)? If so, that would seem to be rather unusual for the main character of a Disney Channel series to be portrayed as an "average" student. WAVY 10 18:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

What does this have to do with the article? Are you planning on putting something in? If so, this looks like original research and shouldn't go in the article. The only reference in the show was a statement by Rico and that could be taken as just an insult. --NrDg 18:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I removed that line. If someone can provide a source (besides a snarky comment by Rico), then re-add it in the main text. WAVY 10 19:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Take This Job and Love It!

I didn't think about this til now. Would Lola "Whatever the last name is" (or possibly dog whisperer?) be acceptable under the alias section in the infobox since she dressed up as her in that episode? ZSoraz 20:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

No it was just a single episode thing that only lasted for about 10min. Not notable. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 04:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Crushes

She had a crush on Jake and that guy she played tennis with that should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.61.141 (talk) 19:47, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Part of the page in Spanish?

How long has part of the page been in Spanish? Mimiwhite 22:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

50 minutes. Please restore to last good version when you see gross vandalism such as this. --NrDg 23:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

What is wrong with that picture?

I have never seent he show, but that picture of Hannah Montana looks like a guy whereing a wig. I am thinking vandalism? Joedamadman (talk) 03:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, I am looking for a Hannah Montana fan to tell me what is going on with that picture. I have no clue if it is just a really bad picture or vandalism Joedamadman (talk) 03:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone changed the picture. I put the old one back up and listed the new one for deletion. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 03:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for protection

I just submited a request for protection. The resent history of this page is filled with nothing but vandalism and reverts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joedamadman (talk • contribs) 03:21, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson

I keep adding Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson on the people who knows Miley's secret but it keeps being taken down. Is it vandalism?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathlive2 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

They didn't show him finding out the secret - they left it ambiguous. The episode works either way. I presume, therefore, that he doesn't know and will remove that info from the article as it is not explicitly shown in the episode he knows. --NrDg 23:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. I say until we know from a source that he doesn't know about the secret, we should leave it up there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.23.25 (talk • contribs) 13:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Wrong way for the assertion. To add something to the article you need to show it is true - see WP:V and WP:RS for inclusion standards. --NrDg 15:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

How do you know? You wouldn't know unless you watch the show.

I watch the show. It wasn't shown either way - it was left ambiguous. --NrDg 01:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Dwayne must have known the secret or else hye wouldn't have helped her get the Hannah picture back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.23.23 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

There are ways that the story could have been filled in where he was motivated to help but didn't need to be told the secret to do so. Miley did a good thing and he might just wish to help to reward her for that. As long as that possibility is there, we can't presume he must know the secret. --NrDg 22:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Fusion

These character pages REALLY need to be fused. there is no reason that they should all get a page. if there is a reason, why isnt there a reason for zack and cody or thats so raven. also, why is there one for roxy but not rico? that just makes no sense to me.Igglybuff63 (talk) 21:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

There's been an ugly debate concerning this, more specifically because of edit wars between editors who want lists (or even no mention whatsoever) like the user who has been part of the most contention over this debate TTN and those who want separate characters. I slightly lean toward separate character/episode articles, but this has gotten so ugly I could care less one way or the other. You can comment at the link in question. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 22:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Best not to do any changes in format right now because of the on-going debate. I just wish we had some hard rules everyone was willing to follow. We have the hard rules now, which does say merge character pages into list of characters page if characters not WP:N notable, but there is no real consensus to follow those rules and people get really upset when the rules are enforced. I try to stay out of it. I don't care that much either way right now and it is a buzz saw to get involved. --NrDg 22:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion

Undo the click link on Hannah Montana under "Biography." It refers to the Hannah Montana character, which redirects to Miley Stwart, the page in question.

hey

hey this is amber jean marrie sullivan and i am a good singer just like hannah montana just because she rocks dosen,t mean that i am not cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.94.69 (talk) 13:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC) --uhm i dont get y everyone is so mean, i me I'm tagging it for clean up.

Grammar and language

Whoever wrote this page does not know English very well.-DANO- (talk) 02:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Too Much Redundancy

Someone needs to go through the entry and get rid of all of it... BlueChainsawMan (talk) 04:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Clean Up

I cleaned up a bit... I hope that someone who's invested in this article can take the lead and continue the clean up of this article. Among other problems, some of it is disjointed and needs more cohesion. Cheers, ask123 (talk) 21:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

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Archive 1

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Miley Stewart/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

This article needs to be expanded. Mattl2001 04:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 04:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 15:23, 1 May 2016 (UTC)