Talk:Mike Cernovich

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Mike Cernovich article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5: 60 days

The subject of this article is controversial and content may be in dispute. When updating the article, be bold, but not reckless. Feel free to try to improve the article, but don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them. Content must be written from a neutral point of view. Include citations when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.

This page is not a forum for general discussion about Mike Cernovich. Any such comments may be removed or refactored. Please limit discussion to improvement of this article. You may wish to ask factual questions about Mike Cernovich at the Reference desk.

The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, which has been designated as a contentious topic.

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Arts and Entertainment

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the arts and entertainment work group (assessed as Low-importance).
	An editor has requested that an image or photograph be added to this article.

Conservatism Low‑importance

	Conservatism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Conservatism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of conservatism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ConservatismWikipedia:WikiProject ConservatismTemplate:WikiProject ConservatismConservatism articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Men's Issues Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Men's Issues, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Men's Issues articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Men's IssuesWikipedia:WikiProject Men's IssuesTemplate:WikiProject Men's IssuesMen's Issues articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Alternative views Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Alternative views, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of significant alternative views in every field, from the sciences to the humanities. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion.Alternative viewsWikipedia:WikiProject Alternative viewsTemplate:WikiProject Alternative viewsAlternative views articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Blogging (inactive)

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Blogging, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.BloggingWikipedia:WikiProject BloggingTemplate:WikiProject BloggingBlogging articles

Illinois Low‑importance

	Illinois portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Illinois, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Illinois on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IllinoisWikipedia:WikiProject IllinoisTemplate:WikiProject IllinoisWikiProject Illinois articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

California: Los Angeles / Southern California Low‑importance

	California portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject California, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of California on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CaliforniaWikipedia:WikiProject CaliforniaTemplate:WikiProject CaliforniaCalifornia articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	Greater Los Angeles portal This article is supported by Los Angeles area task force (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by Southern California task force (assessed as Low-importance).

The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Zimmerman, Aaron S. (2022). Problematizing the Profession of Teaching from an Existential Perspective. pp. 140–144.

InfoWars host?

Cernovich has been a regular host of the far-right The Alex Jones Show on InfoWars.^[1]

This was reinstated after my removal.

As far as I am aware, though Cernovich appeared on InfoWars 3 times (by my count) as an interview guest, he has never hosted a show; the plans must have been cancelled by either Jones or Cernovich. The only sources I can find on Cernovich hosting an InfoWars show were WP:RSBREAKING around the time of the CNN piece. Saying he has been a regular host appears to be misinformation on our part, and completely misstates what the CNN piece said (it was an announcement of an upcoming show, not a retrospective). DFlhb (talk) 07:53, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found no WP:RS covering whether his "show" actually went through, or explaining when it was cancelled. If anyone finds one, then please reinsert the above sentence (though rephrasing it so it's not a distortion of what CNN says; something like: "In May 2017, Cernovich announced that he would become a regular host on Alex Jone's far-right InfoWars podcast"), followed by whatever sources say happened to his show.

Without such a source, it would be iffy to say the show was "announced" years ago without saying what happened to it. DFlhb (talk) 21:11, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Darcy, Oliver (May 3, 2017). "Right-wing troll Mike Cernovich goes professional with new hosting gig at InfoWars". CNN. Archived from the original on May 7, 2017.

Lack of citations in introduction

The entire introduction section does not have a single citation. While I personally know that most of the information there is true, it is bizarre seeing a Wikipedia article introduction written like an opinion piece. Would have added some citations myself, but the article is locked 119.42.59.208 (talk) 06:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:LEADCITE. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 07:15, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes; if this is to prevent alt right conspiracy theorists from changing this, I understand. But what counts as “controversial”? Sources is a problem as I noticed this section, which most will see, was unsourced: “He unearthed old tweets by Sam Seder and James Gunn joking about pedophilia, and initially succeeded in pressuring to get them fired, but both were reinstated after public outcry.”

I’ll probably comment elsewhere, but “joking about pedophilia” is a gross reduction of Seder’s tweet, which was MOCKING those who excused pedophilia. I couldn’t remember if Gunn’s tweet was similar. Considering Cernovitch has apparently (according to this introduction) excused “date rape” with the claim that it “doesn’t exist” (?), clarification and sources are absolutely needed. Elleoneiram (talk) 21:45, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the refs per LEADCITE, as Nomoskedasticity said, but it's true that statements that are "likely to be challenged" should still be cited, so I brought a few back. And regarding the date rape comments, I've added the direct quotes, straight from the NYT, so you can see for yourself. DFlhb (talk) 22:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

can we have a source for the pizzagate statement? 2.222.248.73 (talk) 04:43, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2023

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Why are un-cited claims being allowed in the introductory paragraph? Zero sources, the entire thing reads like a conspiracy theory from a blue haired weirdo. Why is it locked? To prevent accurate information from being added? Lefty295 (talk) 19:09, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Not everything in the lead needs to be cited. It summarizes the body and the body is cited. The article has many sources. Closhund /talk/ 19:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[:3-1] Darcy, Oliver (May 3, 2017). "Right-wing troll Mike Cernovich goes professional with new hosting gig at InfoWars". CNN. Archived from the original on May 7, 2017.

[1]