Talk:Middle Eastern philosophy

Requested move 1 January 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Zawl 11:59, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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• Middle-Eastern philosophy → Middle Eastern philosophy
• Middle-Eastern empires → Middle Eastern empires
• Middle-Eastern music → Middle Eastern music
• Middle-Eastern Americans → Middle Eastern Americans
• Middle-Eastern studies → Middle Eastern studies
• Middle-Eastern foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration → Middle Eastern foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration
• Middle-Eastern foreign policy of the Narendra Modi government → Middle Eastern foreign policy of the Narendra Modi government
• Middle-Eastern theatre of World War I → Middle Eastern theatre of World War I

Per MOS:HYPHEN. A user WikiEditorial101 moved the term "Middle Eastern" to a hyphenated "Middle-Eastern" in a number of pages, a move another editor Heather Elke disagreed. The MOS:HYPHEN states that we should never insert a hyphen into a proper name (Middle Eastern cuisine, not Middle-Eastern cuisine), the page move would therefore appear to be an error, and should therefore be reverted. The change back should be uncontroversial as it is directly addressed by the MOS, however, as it involves multiple pages, I'm leaving the proposed page move for discussion. Hzh (talk) 11:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I don’t see anything in the MOS about removing hypens from hypenated proper names in article titles; all I could find even close to that was “In article titles, do not use a hyphen (-) as a substitute for an en das”, which is clearly not the case here. Can you please show me exactly where this is addressed? WikiEditorial101 (talk) 22:42, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. The green part in what I wrote is the direct quote from the MOS:HYPHEN. If you are arguing that titles are exempt from what the MOS says about hyphen, then you would need to give the correct MOS guideline on this, otherwise we would simply use the MOS:HYPHEN as the default. There is in any case no good ground for your changing it to a hyphenated title, the only source that you claim about the use of hyphen is the article on Middle East (which is incidentally unsourced, you don't find this assertion about the use of hyphen in many dictionaries - [1]. [2], [3], [4]). It is incorrect to cite a Wikipedia article (especially when it is unsourced) because you should base the name change on Wikipedia policies and guidelines. There does not seem to be anything in WP:TITLE that would support such use of hyphen in this case. Hzh (talk) 23:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I would further add that aside from MOS:HYPHEN, we use for article title the name that is commonly used per WP:COMMONNAME. On a web search, nearly all use the unhyphenated Middle Eastern - [5]. A search on Google Books, again the unhyphenated Middle Eastern is preferred [6] - I see "Middle Eastern Food", "Middle Eastern Eyes", "Middle Eastern Mythology", "Middle Eastern Terrorism", "Middle Eastern lives", "Middle Eastern Response", "Middle Eastern Women", all unhyphenated. In fact I don't see any hyphenated Middle-Eastern for many pages. The name change to a hyphenated Middle-Eastern is therefore wrong on two levels - it fails both MOS:HYPHEN and WP:COMMONNAME. Hzh (talk) 01:07, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support (that is, revert to original unhyphenated titles). The Google Books usage argument is compelling that few people use a hyphen in this phrase. SnowFire (talk) 04:47, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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