Talk:Meter Point Administration Number

I've said that the core MPAN is the last 13 digits rather than the last 11 as the last 11 are only unique within that distribution area, but the last 13 uniquely identify any supply. I've also added a section on how to calculate the check digit.

Do you think we need to say something about import / export MPANs?

TonyLocke 12:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is excellent stuff - Export MPANs would be good.Engineman 20:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CSD

Completely unreasonable CSD, there are hundreds of millions of these in operation in the UK, their adoption is being considered in the states, ever UK home will have one. --BMT 13:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about you look at this: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22Meter+Point+Administration+Number%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Is that all?--194.177.166.118 11:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[1] 90k matches is more than enough --BMT 13:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, because that 90,000 is bringing in more results for Microsoft Professional Accountants' Network (MPAN), and even that doesnt have an article. Its bringing in plenty of other things that also have that abbrieviation.

Microsoft Professional Accountants' Network = 844

Meter Point Administration Number = 644

This is NOT notable. MPAN also stands for "Maintenance Policy Advice Notification" or "Maintenance Policy Amendment Notification" or "Millennium People's Assembly Network".

I would expect a verifiable source in google to have the full unabrieviated title of "Meter Point Administration Number".

Also, this article has ZERO sources.

--TheEditor20 14:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article is not a speedy deletable article; I don't see which of the criteria it would fall under. It is true that it is unsourced, though if sourced, would (in my view) be notable. However, those sort of problems need to be sorted out at an AFD. Note that "Where reasonable doubt exists, discussion using another method under deletion policy is recommended". List it if you want it deleted, source it if you want it kept, but either way, its not speedyable. --Robdurbar 17:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Profile Types dispute

Half-Hourly meter is by NO means mandatory in these circumstances, unless the supply generates 120kVA in the 3/4 year flow.--TheEditor20 09:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need to provide a source, there are two supporting the 100 kVA / kWh argument. There are dozens available on the internet. If you ever had worked in the industry, you would know that. --BMT 11:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By saying "if you ever had worked in the industry, you would know that" does not automaticaly mean that I am incorrect. That may be your opinion, as an outsider of the industry. I work in the industry and I assure you that information is not always reflected in online sources as accurately as they should be. This is usualy down to a misrepresentation of the facts from official company releases due to poor understanding of the information. Get your facts correct.--TheEditor20 11:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC) --[reply]

Changed kWh to KW in final paragraph (Typo?). I would also want to see a source for "The supply must consume more than 100 kVA for at least half-hour in at least three quarters of a year" because I don't believe that for one second. - Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.120.131 (talk) 15:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edited KW back to kWh as I had misread but I think that last paragraph is still misleading, it's not about the majority of consumption being over 100kWh in half hour intervals, it's about the supply capacity —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisrufc (talk • contribs) 08:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where does the Supply Capacity by Profile Class table come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.120.131 (talk) 13:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've now removed the Supply Capacity by Profile Class table. PC is not driven by supply capacity, as is shown by the PC table, and explained in the source of the PC table. TonyLocke (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Check Digit

Well, the supplied example code for the MPAN core check digit is not correct. I checked the algorithm in three separate languages against several hundred known valid MPANs today and it is most definitely not correct. Either this entry is incorrect (heaven forbid) or the entire domestic UK electricity market is incorrect. I'll find out the correct one. -- Ed, 17:14 18 April 2007

In advance of the above, I ran my large list of valid and real MPANs in the UK above against one of the algorithms in a previous edit of this section. Spot on. I work for a large electricity company so I can confirm that the edit I have made is correct and that 11 is NOT in the list of prime numbers used when calculating a check digit. Why it isn't, I don't know, but I do know for a fact that it isnt used at all. -- Ed 20:25 19 April 2007

Added VB code and excel formula examples. -- MD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.59.168.126 (talk) 15:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Algorithm verification

It would be great to have some sample numbers to verify the algorithm! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.118.164.127 (talk) 19:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MD: As requested by the above person:

MPAN	VALID
1900000000000	Invalid Mpan
1900000000001	Invalid Mpan
1900000000002	Invalid Mpan
1900000000003	Invalid Mpan
1900000000004	Correct
1900000000005	Invalid Mpan
1900000000006	Invalid Mpan
1900000000007	Invalid Mpan
1900000000008	Invalid Mpan
1900000000009	Invalid Mpan
1900000000010	Invalid Mpan
1900000000011	Invalid Mpan
1900000000012	Invalid Mpan
1900000000013	Correct
1900000000014	Invalid Mpan
1900000000015	Invalid Mpan
1900000000016	Invalid Mpan
1900000000017	Invalid Mpan
1900000000018	Invalid Mpan
1900000000019	Invalid Mpan
1900000000020	Invalid Mpan
1900000000021	Invalid Mpan
1900000000022	Correct
1900000000023	Invalid Mpan
1900000000024	Invalid Mpan
1900000000025	Invalid Mpan
1900000000026	Invalid Mpan
1900000000027	Invalid Mpan
1900000000028	Invalid Mpan
1900000000029	Invalid Mpan
1900000000030	Invalid Mpan
1900000000031	Correct
1900000000032	Invalid Mpan
1900000000033	Invalid Mpan
1900000000034	Invalid Mpan
1900000000035	Invalid Mpan
1900000000036	Invalid Mpan
1900000000037	Invalid Mpan
1900000000038	Invalid Mpan
1900000000039	Invalid Mpan
1900000000040	Correct
1900000000041	Invalid Mpan
1900000000042	Invalid Mpan
1900000000043	Invalid Mpan
1900000000044	Invalid Mpan
1900000000045	Invalid Mpan
1900000000046	Invalid Mpan
1900000000047	Invalid Mpan
1900000000048	Invalid Mpan
1900000000049	Invalid Mpan

The algorithm section is totally overkill. It doesn't give an algorithm but a whole bunch of different implementations of the same algorithm in a range of different languages, and for VB, a range of different versions of the same language. Is it really necessary to have tens of copies of the same algorithm? Wikipedia isn't a source code repository, and unless the purpose of this is to compare languages, it is out of place, imho. I suggest replacing it with an actual algorithm description, and putting these alternatives in a public github repo or similar elsewhere. I'll do that, unless there are objections. 80.229.16.135 (talk) 11:56, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Load Factor

I've added in a definition of load factor. However, I think there should perhaps be a link to the 'demand factor' article, or perhaps a 'load factor' article should be created. I don't have the knowledge to do this, could an electrical engineer help? TonyLocke 12:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Red link to Meter Point Reference Number

The red link to Meter Point Reference Number has been removed, and I think it should be put back. I've read the red link guideline and it seems a red link here wouldn't be out of place. TonyLocke (talk) 09:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. --BMT (talk) 10:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DNO Map

The numbers on the map of DNO licences don't correspond to the DNO ids. Am I missing something, or shall I change the numbers on the map? TonyLocke (talk) 11:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was about to post the same comment as TonyLocke. This needs someone who understamds these things to either correct it or to explain why it is as it is. Very confusing. -- SGBailey (talk) 10:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The numbers are wrong, the image is used elsewhere, where they make sense, I think. --BMT (talk) 12:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The key to the numbers is on the Distribution Network Operator page. I've transcribed these numbers into the DNO table in a 'Map Ref.' column. This is just a temporary fix as I don't understand the significance (if any) of the numbers on the map. TonyLocke (talk) 15:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Export MPANs

The Export MPANs section is incorrect. It implies that Export MPANs are a new invention whereas they have been around for a very long time. What certainly is new is the extension of Export MPANs into the Non-Half Hourly market but they have been in the HH market for some time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrphewitt (talk • contribs) 12:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. No prejudice against 'Meter point administration number'. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MPAN → Meter Point Administration Number – User incompetence error. My move should be rectified please. Sorry. Trevj (talk) 13:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise speedy move, but should Meter point administration number be more in line with WP:TITLE? Beagel (talk) 19:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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