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On 21 July 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Mercedes-AMG F1 W12 E Performance to Mercedes W12. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 21 July 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:33, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mercedes-AMG F1 W12 E Performance → Mercedes W12 – WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. "Mercedes W12" is clearly used in sources, such as Autosport, Sky Sports, and ESPN, and unlike with the W11 there is no need for natural disambiguation between the modern F1 car and an older Mercedes-Benz model. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 00:02, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support, also consistent with formula1.com. --DB1729 (talk) 17:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Keep it more consistent with previous model names instead to maintain the naming history (W09 EQ Power+, W10 EQ Power+, W11 EQ Performance). Also, had this article been renamed, all previous Mercedes F1 models (from the W01 to the W11) had to be renamed as well. Hansen Sebastian^Talk 15:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per Hansen comments. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per nom, COMMONNAME and CONCISION. In addition, I’ve tried to make sense of opposing argument… nada. Each model should adhere to COMMONNAME, period. Consistency, like concision, carries more weight when there is no clear common name. In fact, the other part of the Oppose argument is weak precisely because unless the more concise name is also the COMMONNAME for any of the other models, they should not be moved. I urge the closer to discount opposition argument accordingly. —В²C ☎ 05:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and B2C. Consistency is only something which should be considered when there is not a clear common name (and indeed conciseness should also be considered before consistency, which also favours this proposal). I don't agree that if this article is renamed then all previous models need to be renamed. It may well be that some/all of those other articles should be renamed for similar reasons here, if the existing titles are not the common names, but that is not under consideration here. A7V2 (talk) 05:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Whilst the Chassis is listed as W12 on f1.com, the entire car is listed as F1 W12 E Performance on [1] LeoSWarren (talk) 15:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LeoSWarren: What it is called on the official Mercedes F1 team website isn't relevant. Please read WP:OFFICIALNAME. The only situation where we should use the official name is where that is also the common name, which no-one has provided any evidence for. Also a note to the closer and other editors that this is this LeoSWarren's first ever edit on Wikipedia (not that I'm suggesting anything is wrong with that). A7V2 (talk) 04:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.