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A fact from Melissa Leilani Larson appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 November 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Melissa Leilani Larson's play Pilot Program imagines a future where members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are asked to practice polygamy again?

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:49, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Melissa Leilani Larson's play Pilot Program imagines a future where members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are asked to practice polygamy again? Source: [The Utah Review https://www.theutahreview.com/plan-b-theatres-pilot-program-brings-polygamy-forward-living-room-drama/]: "Set in 2019, ‘Pilot Program,’ by Utah playwright Melissa Leilani Larson, revolves around a professional middle-aged Mormon couple with no children who have been called to participate in an LDS program restoring polygamy."

Reviewed: Apple maggot

Created by Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 21:31, 9 October 2019 (UTC).[reply]

New enough, long enough, QPQ present. That is quite the hook—I imagine this will get a lot of views—and it is included in the article and checks out. No textual issues. Looks good to me. Raymie (t • c) 01:37, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Raymie, this needs an approval tick. Yoninah (talk) 00:35, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops. That was meant to be there. Operator error. Raymie (t • c) 01:26, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

bloggers

Rachel Helps (BYU) There are at least three sources here that are blogs -- I'm not sure these are really useful. Who cares that a blogger reviewing a college play wants to know about the relationship characters in that play have with Christ in heaven? I don't think the information is crucial to this article, and I'd like to remove it. Since it's been slotted at DYK, I didn't want to do it without discussing first. --valereee (talk) 17:52, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi valereee, I feel like the Utah Theatre Bloggers Association is a step up from a regular blog, in that there is editorial oversight to the posts. However, if you feel strongly that it is not an appropriate source, feel free to delete the parts that reference it. By Common Consent is another blog I cite which is a significant source of discourse in the Mormon blogging community. Also, I cited Gideon Burton's blog because he is one of the few professors who teaches Mormon literature. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:15, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Rachel Helps (BYU)! I think we could mention that the UTBA named the play one of the best new plays, if we assume they're curating themselves somehow. (Can anyone just join up and start blogging there, or do you have to be invited in and/or accept editorial oversight?) The two mentions from By Common Consent are fine, they're not opinions, just mentions of their awards. But the opinions of individual bloggers are just not noteworthy unless someone else is talking about those opinions in a reliable source somewhere. The professor of Mormon literature is probably a reasonable exception, it would be better if he could find him writing it in a book somewhere but we can use his blog as the source. Would it be okay if I make the changes I'm thinking of, then you can take a look at the diff and we can discuss again? --valereee (talk) 12:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm fine with the removal of the UTBA review blurbs. The qualifications of UTBA members are ability to write well and willingness to go to at least one play a month. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:59, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First! (?)

Hey, Rachel Helps (BYU)---I was just looking at something and while the source says otherwise, it's pretty debatable that Mel's the "first woman to receive three" AML Awards when she got her third in 2014.

Ally Condie also received her third in 2014. Angela Hallstrom got her third in 2010 though one of these was for "Service to AML" and not creative work. P. G. Karamesines her third in 2006, though, which seems pretty definitive.

Oh! Still looking and Margaret Young got her third in 2003 and Terry Tempest Williams, in 1998 (thought her third is an honorary lifetime membership).

Emma Lou Thayne's third was in 1989. Linda Sillitoe, 1983. Louise Plummer in 2001. Anne Perry in 2007 (with a Smith-Pettit).

Okay. I should have finished looking before I started typing. I know the post said she was first, but she clearly was not. I'm removing that part. It does make me wonder whether she was the youngest, either.... Thmazing (talk) 02:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Thmazing, you're right. The source, BCC press, is incorrect. It stated "Melissa Leilani Larson, a prominent playwright and filmmaker, has already won three awards from the Association for Mormon Letters Awards—the youngest person, and only woman, ever to accomplish this feat." It makes me wonder if she was actually the youngest person too. I know James Goldberg received three awards fairly young--was he older than she was on earning the third? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure, Rachel Helps (BYU). And a couple of the first people to make it to three might have been on the young side as well. Thmazing (talk) 00:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Advertisers, amirite? Thmazing (talk) 00:19, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

lol Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:46, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did some poking around and I'm not sure of her being the youngest either, so I removed that for now. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:35, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]