Talk:Melissa Benoist/Archive 1

Archive 1

Pronunciation?

If she were Canadian, it would be Ben-wah. 99.247.1.157 (talk) 06:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2017

Birth place conflict. One states Littleton, Colorado (Under Early Life), the other states Harris County, Texas (in summary Box). 99.243.36.140 (talk) 02:00, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

It looks like Vanity Fair says Houston and TV Guide says Littleton. The ref for the Hollywood Reporter also lists Littleton, but only as her hometown and not birthplace.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  06:24, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Can you please edit the article to reflect that? Eg. remove Harris County from the summary box and place it along Littleton in the Early Life section while mentioning both references. Or, put both places in the summary box and under early life for consistency. 99.243.36.140 (talk) 19:31, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2017

Melissa Benoist was born in 1989, not 1988. Melissa and her management team would like this clarified. Thank you. Rdishell (talk) 21:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Both currently cited sources say she was born in 1988. If there are any reliable sources which contradict that, you have to provide them here. If not, it's a textbook case of WP:OR I'm afraid. ChamithN (talk) 22:11, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Melissa is dating Chris Wood

Melissa is dating Chris but they havent said do themselves. Though they have been spotted together mutipule times, even kissing Jessiewiki12345 (talk) 17:17, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Since no reliable sources confirm this, it cannot be added to article. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Union of Opposites ‖ 18:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

It shouldn't be added even if a WP:RS can be produced – the transitory dating lives of celebrities are not what we do here. This is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid rag. Come back if they've been together for more than a year, and are reported to be together in multiple WP:RSs. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Chris Woods

Stop adding that Melissa and Chris are dating. They have not come out and talked about their relationship publicly, and even if they are dating, they've only been dating maybe 6 months. Stop changing it (as the above comment states). --QueerFilmNerd (talk) 22:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

edit request

It's a bird! It's a plane! It's... a spelling error? English, motherfucker, do you speak it?

Enough is enough. I've had it with these motherfucking spelling errors on this motherfucking article!

It's "high school" not "hight school". How come you college motherfuckers think you run everything? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:200:c000:da:a00a:6c3d:5138:3dc5 (talk • contribs) 06:14, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for your vigilance and for your kind words. Please report here (or edit the article when the protection expires) if you unearth more errors. Politrukki (talk) 08:28, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Instagram and WP:RS

Hi Bonaniiiia and ScrapIronIV can we please sort out the personal life edit around Benoist depression and it coming from her personal Instagram account. While I agree that normally we wouldn't use instagram as it isn't a WP:RS under WP:BLPSELFPUB I tend to agree that it can be keep as it is from her official account and is only about herself. If that isn't correct, I'm happy to hear why but think it needs to be discussed instead of the constant reverts. NZFC^(talk) 20:31, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Even if it is a confirmed Instagram account, it cannot be used for personal information about the subject. It is a WP:PRIMARY source, and Wikipedia uses secondary sources for WP:BLP information. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia does not publish unverified information directly from the subject of an article. Any celebrity can say anything they want about themselves - that does not mean that it gets published in their biographical article. Scr★pIron^IV 20:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

We should add it. she just announced it on October 1, 2017 on her instagram account and supported the site that helps defeating the stigma surrounding mental illness. I also think we should add her parents divorce in her early life, that's an important part about her upbringing. Bonaniiiia (talk) 20:41, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia entry, not a fan page. What gets entered is that which is encyclopedically notable, not every piece of cruft that comes along. If she has launched a website because of an issue with depression, that gets included when somebody (besides herself!) writes about it. Otherwise, it is self published, and self promotional. It's as simple as that. By your edit history, it seems you are a fan, as this is the only topic you seem to be editing. Wikipedia has standards that fan pages do not have. As you have now crossed the bright line of WP:3RR I will invite you to revert yourself, so that I don't have to file a report which could easily get you blocked. Scr★pIron^IV 20:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Just one thing with regards to have to use primary sources on BLP articles, that isn't correct. There are cases where a primary source can be used as per WP:BLPSTYLE "and in some circumstances what the subjects have published about themselves." Which is why her official Instagram account admitting that she has depression isn't controversial and I feel it could be used. Bonaniiiia I agree with ScrapIronIV on that one, it comes from an unreliable source so can't be added and site can't be mention as she hasn't really mentioned it and nothing to suggest she is actually part of it apart from the one promotional picture NZFC^(talk) 20:49, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

What? So someone else talk about is more reliable than herself Bonaniiiia (talk) 20:52, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Actually, no. Celebrities have been known to tell specific falsehoods about their birth dates (wanting to appear younger) or claim to be any number of things that could help them promote their careers, or promote the causes that they believe in. This is precisely why Wikipedia uses secondary sources - independent, reliable, third-party sources which are known for a history of editorial fact-checking. This is also why fans should not update the pages of the objects of their affections. I have nothing against Ms. Benoist, and wish her well in her endeavors - but that does not mean that I will take everything she says as gospel truth. Scr★pIron^IV 21:06, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you ScrapIronIV I'm happy for it to be left out around her Instagram post, it also maybe a case of too soon and her story around her depression maybe picked up and written about later anyway if she continues with this promotion of it. NZFC^(talk) 21:16, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

I have no issue against the material, just its source. If someone else writes about it, I'm happy to include it. I would also be personally pleased if she does have a successful campaign to raise awareness of depression and anxiety. I am certain someone will pick up on it, and write about it, and then we can include it in a couple of weeks. Happy editing! Scr★pIron^IV 21:20, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Bonaniiiia (talk) 19:53, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Bonaniiiia, so it was just a case of too soon trying to get the bit around Mental health added. With that link coming from a a secondary source, I have added back in what she has said about admitting to her depression. NZFC^(talk) 20:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Actually, it is largely because EliteDaily is a questionable source; basically an infotainment/tabloid online journal. I'll leave it be, but folks really do need to read WP:RS. Scr★pIron^IV 20:35, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2018

Add boyfriend to where it says Supergirl co-star in personal life, because she and Chris Wood are dating. 2601:1C0:5D01:A80F:B497:E41:D0D7:A072 (talk) 18:58, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:05, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Engagement

@Obsimad: If you have an issue with the content, instead of edit-warring, then you need to discuss it here. -- /Alex/₂₁ 12:03, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

People's Magazine is a tabloid and not a reliable source and if there is any edits on a biography of a living person (see WP:BLP) it requires a verifiable/reliable source. And more over Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a tabloid and gossips are not allowed. If someone says he is married it doesn't always mean that he is married as people often lie (Not saying Melissa or Christopher is lying but you have to take this situation into consideration) Until a reliable source has done all the fact check. I would like an administrator to revert the edits as I have got a warning. Obsimad (talk) 12:15, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Obsimad, I have updated the source. Please try again. -- /Alex/₂₁ 12:25, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Still don't think it's a reliable source but can't go on with it anymore thanks for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obsimad (talk • contribs) 12:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Your personal opinion is noted. -- /Alex/₂₁ 13:03, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Obsimad, you can't go "Well maybe the person is lying" because then no source would be reliable and not the fault of the magazine. "That could mean anything" means you're just not using common sense and reverting people who are. If the magazine was so unreliable it wouldn't have been a frontrunner so often, birth announcements wouldnt have been exclusively disclosed to them if they were so unreliable. You have given no legitimate reason to stop using People Magazine as a source and thus have undone the admittedly well-meaning attempt to appease.--Fradio71 (talk) 14:23, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Fradio71 Common sense can be subjective and as I stated before Entertainment Magazine are not a reliable source of information but on the other hand news magazines like Time Magazine is a reliable source as they check ever fact of the matter instead of just having a educated guess on an Instagram post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obsimad (talk • contribs) 17:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Entertainment magazines arent reliable sources about the entertainment industry? You're waiting for Time Magazine to be your source on this? You cant just dismiss everything as being subjective otherwise you undercut the validity on any source--Fradio71 (talk) 17:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Fradio71, I never said that I wanted Time Magazine to be my source I just said that News Magazine are more of a reliable source then Entertainment Magazines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obsimad (talk • contribs) 17:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah and what's wrong with entertainment magazines reporting entertainment news? Everyone but you got what the post meant. If it weren't true, wouldn't a retraction have been ordered or a refutation made?--Fradio71 (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Fradio71, again like I have stated before I never argued that the info was wrong only that the source was unreliable.

You stated it was unreliable based on preconceptions, not actual history--Fradio71 (talk) 18:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Diffs or copying the source(s) to this discussion would be helpful.

"There is a consensus that People (magazine) can be a reliable source in biographies of living persons, but the magazine should not be used for contentious facts. " - WP:RSP --Ronz (talk) 00:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

There was nothing "contentious" about this fact.--Fradio71 (talk) 00:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

That's my impression, plus an engagement date is rarely noteworthy in the long run. --Ronz (talk) 00:54, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2019

Add her role as Chronic in the upcoming Jay and silent Bob Reboot to her filmography XXPerttuPlayzXx (talk) 00:03, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Masum Reza^📞 21:47, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2019

Melissa Benoist married Chris Wood in Ojai, California on Sept 1, 2019 Lkneece (talk) 19:30, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @Lkneece: Without a reliable source to verify the claim, we can't add it. —C.Fred (talk) 19:35, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Here is a source C.Fred — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lkneece (talk • contribs) 19:49, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

References

TV Guide is basing their report on this E! Online story]. I'm a little hesitant since E! is claiming they have the exclusive: how do we know they have it right? —C.Fred (talk) 19:59, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

I'd say wait for a better source. Their article says, "The duo exchanged vows at a private estate in Ojai, California. "It was a beautiful setting for a wedding very peaceful and quiet," a source tells E! News". Not credible enough imo. QueerFilmNerd^talk 22:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Melissa's Supergirl costars are confirming the reports https://twitter.com/NicoleAMaines/status/1169037024726278145?s=20

C.FredQueerFilmNerd — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lkneece (talk • contribs) 13:12, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Second-hand Tweets like that are unacceptable as sources. —C.Fred (talk) 13:54, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2019

Change Danver to Danvers 86.41.3.133 (talk) 22:58, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

 Question: Where do you see "Danver"? aboideau^talk 23:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: "Danver" does not appear in the article. NiciVampireHeart 08:58, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Pronunciation of her last name

The trailer of tonight's (Sun. 10/6/2019) Batwoman includes Melissa saying "This is Melissa Benoist" — and she very clearly pronounces her name as /bəˈnɔɪ/, with no S and no T. I played it back several times and am 100% certain of what I heard. Of course, it's difficult to cite pronunciation in an audio recording as a source, which is unfortunate, because as far as I'm concerned, if someone pronounces their own name, that should end all debate on the matter.

I know one of the cited sources (a British late-night talk show) seems to have Melissa saying she and her family have pronounced her name in several different ways over the years — unfortunately, the host of the show insisted on energetically talking over his guests and barely let Melissa get a word in edgewise, so this recording's value as a source for her name is (in my opinion) questionable. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 06:12, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Link to this trailer? There have been several trailers for Batwoman in the lead-up to its launch. —Joeyconnick (talk) 22:57, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

She explains the pronunciation here, at one minute and 15 seconds and following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oifRCyBnPHU The host pronounces it "Ben-oi-ss", and she says "I pronounce, my family pronouces the 'T'." Then the host says "Ben-oi-st" and she agrees. PensiveHapax (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Melissa's Residence

I just noticed that we're listing her residence as Vancouver, but I'm pretty sure she only lives there when Supergirl films and lives in the states the rest of the time. I believe the residence parameter is typically used when they actually reside there, not when they live there just for filming. Also, I wouldn't consider it being a notable place that she's from, are we keeping it? QueerFilmNerd^talk 07:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Are you sure✌ Dubneg (talk) 00:34, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

2015 eye injury

There have been several attempts to change the text where the subject suffered an eye injury. Please remember to support any such changes, especially controversial ones, with a reference. Please see WP:PROVEIT for more information on how. Ifnord (talk) 20:15, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

I accepted the edit as it included a WP:ABOUTSELF source that supported it. There is probably an argument to be made that it constitutes an exceptional claim, but as it is not a self-serving claim, I felt it was appropriate to include. If other editors disagree, I won't fight for it. Possibly there will be secondary coverage of the claim now that she's released the video. Schazjmd (talk) 22:48, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

The domestic violence subject under personal life deserves it's own paragraph. This has been extensively covered in the news media. It's a rather serious allegation, too. I think it should be covered, but as an unproven allegation.PensiveHapax (talk) 15:00, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

A good start would be to identify some sources that demonstrate more than just churnalism and reactionary pieces to her video. --Ronz (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

A piece in El País claims "La actriz Melissa Benoist (‘Supergirl’) detalla en un vídeo los abusos de su exmarido, el actor Blake Jenner, que participó en una serie que cumple 10 años con varios de sus protagonistas envueltos en polémicas" and later on "La actriz no daba nombres, aunque no era difícil encajar en la descripción a su exmarido, el actor Blake Jenner, a quien conoció en la serie Glee, de quien se divorció a finales de ese 2016 y que encajaba con el perfil que describía.". 84.121.191.120 (talk) 09:05, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

That's clearly worded as speculation on their part ("aunque no era difícil encajar en la descripción a su exmarido"), not sufficient to justify inclusion in the encyclopedia. Both individuals are entitled to the requirements of WP:BLP sourcing. Schazjmd (talk) 15:18, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Blake Jenner just admitted that he was abusive towards Benoist, but he accuses her of being abusive to him, too. https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/blake-jenner-addresses-ex-wife-melissa-benoists-abuse-claims/136.49.157.251 (talk) 01:54, 9 October 2020 (UTC)