Talk:Meital Dohan

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Can we please update the correct Age for Meital's Page

The age is incorrect on the Wiki see below for References.

Her correct Age is August 24, 1979.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0230525/

Born: August 24, 1979 in Israel  

https://people.com/movies/al-pacino-steps-out-meital-dohan-los-angeles/ Israeli actress Meital Dohan, 39, in West Hollywood, California,

https://hollywoodlife.com/2018/09/23/who-is-meital-dohan-actress-singer/ dating Meital Dohan, 39, according to Page Six

https://thecelebscloset.com/meital-dohan-dating-boyfriend-net-worth-age-height-wiki/ 39 years old

https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/meital-dohan-29423.php Birthday: August 24, 1979

Somethingtonight23 (talk) 15:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Edit requests

At WP:OTRS ticket:2019062810000884 a user asked for assistance in making an edit request post to the talk page. They provided a Wikimedia compatible license release for the text of their email, as documented in the above private ticket which I include here for administrative reference.

Can any editor please respond this to this request here on this talk page? Thank you.

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1. In regards to the show Weeds, it states that Meital was in 6 episodes when she was in 7 episodes as Yael Hoffman. Those episodes were “God Willing and the Creek Don’t Rise” (2012), “Must Find Toes” (2006), “Crush Girl Love Panic” (2006), "A.K.A. The Plant” (2006), “Last Tango in Argestic” (2006), “Cooking With Jesus” (2006) and “Corn Snake” (2006). References:

1. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0230525/; https://www.huffpost.com/entry/meital-dohan-weeds_b_2947704
2. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/weeds-israeli-actress-meital-dohan-returns-368523

2. In regards to Meital’s age sources cite August 24, 1976 when it should be August 24, 1979. References:

1. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0230525/
2. https://www.msn.com/en-za/entertainment/celebrity/al-pacino-is-dating-actress-singer-half-his-age-report/ar-AAAxunS
3. https://people.com/movies/al-pacino-steps-out-meital-dohan-los-angeles/
4. https://hollywoodlife.com/2018/09/23/who-is-meital-dohan-actress-singer/
5. https://thecelebscloset.com/meital-dohan-dating-boyfriend-net-worth-age-height-wiki/
6. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7365273/al-pacino-dating-meital-dohan/
7. https://pagesix.com/2018/09/22/al-pacinos-new-girlfriend-is-half-his-age/
8. https://extratv.com/2018/11/27/pics-al-pacino-steps-out-with-much-younger-gf-meital-dohan/
9. https://www.yourtango.com/2018317347/who-is-meital-dohan-new-details-on-al-pacino-girlfriend-whos-half-his-age
10. https://www.thejakartapost.com/life/2018/09/25/al-pacino-dates-actress-half-his-age.html
11. https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/meital-dohan-29423.php

3. In regards to the song, On Ya featuring Sean Kingston, the song was released on June 6, 2012 and the music video on October 14, 2012. References:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB9WoMebMEA
2. https://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/exclusive-song-premiere-and-interview-on-ya-meital-feat-sean-kingston

4. In 2011 Meital released her book Love & Other Bad Habits. The third edition of the book was donated to the “Ladies Circle” organization. Reference:

1. https://www.coolil.com/blog/2010/03/love-and-other-bad-habits/

5. Producer Rami Afuni has not only produced for Dohan but for Kiesza and Lady Gaga. References:

1. https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/i-saw-people-i-really-trusted-turn-into-monsters-2/
2. https://www.esquireme.com/culture/music/women-love-kiesza

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Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

I requested comment at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Meital_Dohan. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:53, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Added a template. Might get more help that way. Don't have time to dig into it right now. Primefac (talk) 18:40, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Reply 30-JUL-2019

  Edit request partially implemented  

1. Y The Weeds show count was altered.
2. Y The date was added to the release of On Ya.
3. N The information about the book was not added, as it is not clear what is meant by The third edition was donated to the Ladies Circle. The subject should specify what of the edition was donated, be it physical copies of the edition, profits from the edition, a percentage of profits from the edition, etc.
4. N The information regarding Rami Afuni is more appropriate for the article on Afuni.
5. N With regards to the age of the subject, the Jerusalem Post source states clearly that The actress, who turns 30 on Thursday, has a recurring role on critically-acclaimed Showtime drama Weeds, in which she plays Yael Hoffman opposite series stars Mary-Louise Parker and Elizabeth Perkins. That source was published August 22, 2006. With regards to the 11 sources provided for 1979 as the YOB, these are all variants of a single article published in 2018 by PageSix which addresses the subject dating Al Pacino and whose story details come from what PageSix describes as "an insider". Over time, the other outlets picked up on and then reported the PageSix story. None of these outlets added any original reporting to the story. Rather than 11 sources as is shown, there is actually only one source. In light of this, I'm not prepared to change the date of the subject's birth, because at this time the Jerusalem Post outweighs all of these other articles which may have originated from a single publicist (the "insider" mentioned by PageSix). Additional reliable sources would be helpful in making a better determination. The issues with each subject-provided reference giving the YOB are shown below:

Review of sources provided to OTRS

As stated in the OTRS request: In regards to Meital’s age sources cite August 24, 1976 when it should be August 24, 1979. The following references were then provided. However, each reference has its own issue: 1. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0230525/  1.— not a WP:RS 2. https://www.msn.com/en-za/entertainment/celebrity/al-pacino-is-dating-actress-singer-half-his-age-report/ar-AAAxunS  2.— based on Al Pacino story 3. https://people.com/movies/al-pacino-steps-out-meital-dohan-los-angeles/  3.— based on Al Pacino story 4. https://hollywoodlife.com/2018/09/23/who-is-meital-dohan-actress-singer/  4.— based on Al Pacino story 5 https://thecelebscloset.com/meital-dohan-dating-boyfriend-net-worth-age-height-wiki/  5.— based on Al Pacino story 6. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7365273/al-pacino-dating-meital-dohan/  6.— based on Al Pacino story 7. https://pagesix.com/2018/09/22/al-pacinos-new-girlfriend-is-half-his-age/  7.— sentinal reference for the Al Pacino story covered by the others, informed by an "insider". 8 https://extratv.com/2018/11/27/pics-al-pacino-steps-out-with-much-younger-gf-meital-dohan/  8.— based on Al Pacino story 9. https://www.yourtango.com/2018317347/who-is-meital-dohan-new-details-on-al-pacino-girlfriend-whos-half-his-age  9.— based on Al Pacino story 10. https://www.thejakartapost.com/life/2018/09/25/al-pacino-dates-actress-half-his-age.html  10.— based on Al Pacino story 11. https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/meital-dohan-29423.php  11.— crowdsourced, not a WP:RS

Regards,  Spintendo  19:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Notes

@Spintendo:Hi, I found some other sources that verify she was born in 1979:

An article in 2013 from the Jerusalem Post stated she was 33 at the time of the interview.

1. https://www.jpost.com/Arts-and-Culture/Music/Superhero-Meital-set-to-change-the-world-312535

Another article in 2013 from Haaretz states the actress was 33 at the time.

1. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/culture/.premium-yummy-boyz-and-nudity-part-of-a-day-s-work-1.5234866

She did a more recent interview in Israel in July 2019 where she was asked to verify her age and says 39.

1. https://www.mako.co.il/entertainment-celebs/local-2018/Article-19766c42bdadb61027.htm

Hope this helps.Nothingbutfacts86 (talk) 14:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

More reliable sources for age correction

You state that “the most reliable sourcing” regarding Ms. Dohan’s age is the 2006 article from the Jerusalem Post. However, here is a subsequent article from same publication, the Jerusalem Post, dated May 28, 2013 which provided Ms. Dohan’s correct age:

“Known as Meital Dohan in the world of cinema, TV and theater both in Israel and the United States, the 33-year-old performer turned a new corner in her career three years ago when, back in Israel from Los Angeles, she was advised by her spiritual guide to ‘return immediately and become a singer.’”

As you can see, as subsequently reported by the Jerusalem Post (per Wikipedia – the most reliable sourcing), Ms. Dohan was 33 years old in 2013, which corroborates Ms. Dohan’s 1979 birthrate.

See below for more sourcing for the correct age.

"The actress, who is about half his age (she is 40 and he is 79)"

"Now Dohan, 33, is back with another fun beat, “On Ya,” with Jamaican-American rapper Sean Kingston. 2013"

"Dohen is not alone. Her dream man showed up, in the premiere but whatever. Dohan, 39, got to know El Pacino, 78,. 12.25.2018"

Somethingtonight23 (talk) 18:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Not sure why this needs administrator assistance; other editors (like yourself) who are interested in improving this article will read and respond to your comments here. It doesn't need a help tag unless there's a specific problem or question that only an administrator can handle. –Darkwind (talk) 06:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Claiming "(per Wikipedia – the most reliable sourcing)" is problematic: Wikipedia itself is never supposed to the the source.

There are indeed one new article in the Jerusalem Post which claims a birth date of 1979. There are many other sources which claim 1976 (just most of them in Hebrew), including an interview with her own father from late 2018 in which he stated explicitly "Meital is 42"., and another JP article from August 2006 with a very specific reference to "The actress, who turns 30 on Thursday".

Given the rich history of such changes to this page (and also to the corresponding wikidata page): Somethingtonight23, are you affiliated in any way with Ms Dohan, her PR and/or her legal team?

Darkwind, for context, see the editing history of this page by Lm945, ASAPR2016, and others (as well as the edit history of the associated wikidata item). Dovno (talk) 06:32, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

References

I have locked Somethingtonight23 globally for inserting false claims into articles cross wiki. I have reverted the article to Donvo's version as a result. Matanya (talk) 22:49, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2020

2601:483:4800:3B70:24D0:84D2:1584:9598 (talk) 23:16, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Her age is incorrect: "Meital Dohan (Hebrew: מיטל דוהן‎; born August 24, 1979)".

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:29, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2020

2601:483:4800:3B70:24D0:84D2:1584:9598 (talk) 23:17, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Her age is incorrect. Please remove "Meital Dohan (Hebrew: מיטל דוהן‎; born August 24, 1979)" and just continue the article without her age.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:29, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect information on page

I'm a little confused by the error with her age and the reluctance to fix it. Everything seems to be referenced back to her appearance in the Sopranos in 2006 and a piece in the Jerusalem Post here. From what I can find, every time that the JPost has used Dohan's age since then it traces back to her being born in 1979, not 1976. Examples are here and here. Added to that, when her relationship with Al Pacino ended, there was a lot of coverage speaking solely about the age gap between the two, putting Dohan at 40, not 43. I've used 4 strong references to backup her date of birth. Here are a number of other references:

The Independent, Times of Israel, Jerusalem Post, The Times, Fox News, Heavy.com, Evening Standard and The Mercury NewsLondonNews (talk) 16:01, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Her own father has confirmed the earlier birth year. There are a number of other references from her early career corroborating it:[1][2][3][4][5][6] If she were born in 1979, she'd have been only 15 years old at the time of her military service--yet she has said that she joined the military at age 18. As Spintendo noted above, all the references for her being 39 or 40 in 2019/2020 cover the same news story about a supposed 39-year age gap with Al Pacino, which seems to originate from her publicist. Over the past few years, a number of single-purpose accounts have attempted to change her year of birth both on the English Wikipedia and on other language editions. For example, User: ASAPR2016 said I have been blocked from Meital Dohan's page when in fact I do PR for the actress.[7] (Please note Wikipedia's requirements for paid editors.) Cheers, gnu57 20:04, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Date of birth again

I've just removed the date of birth as the age issue has come around again. The references last cited are all about the 40 year age gap between her and 79-year-old Pacino, but without giving a date of birth. The article subject and her representatives take issue with the 1976 birth date, noting that the 2006 Jerusalem Post article which was the source of that date has been retracted, although the archived version is still available. Unless and until we can find truly reliable source to cite for a birth date, how about just leaving it out? Comments and references welcome! Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 00:26, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

see discussion on Hebrew wiki. Same there. A user who may or may not be a representative keep changing the information. Her time in both school and the army point to 1976, friends and family says 1976, while sources saying otherwise are most likely mistaken. GHA (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)