Talk:Mazen al-Hamada

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Page creator in Special:Diff/1061448062 on my talk page: "I was asked to create this page". "There were no other images of Mazen, so I created one, as simple as that." ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not paid, just helping translate.

I was not paid to create this page--the author of the French wiki page on Mazen was looking for help making an English version. I am decent at French translation--married to a francophone wife--and was able to help. As there were no images of Mazen that I could freely upload, without copyright infringement, I drew a sketch of a published photo and uploaded it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcnelsonart (talk • contribs) 21:09, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mazen page "Appearances"

Moved from User talk:ToBeFree

– ToBeFree (talk) 21:15, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There was a version on the French wiki for Mazen, and not one on the English wiki---I am familiar with French translation, and I am "known" for drawing portraits of human rights activists, so the author of that wiki asked me to write an English version. I assumed I couldn't just randomly upload another person's photo of Mazen (I am new to wikipedia and unsure about copyright issues)--so I used a photo and drew an interpretation of it to avoid copyright infringements. You still haven't explained why the "Appearances" section was removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcnelsonart (talk • contribs) 20:45, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, being asked on Wikipedia by someone who doesn't have a conflict of interest is fine. No worries about the conflict of interest then. But how did you manage to create File:Mazen_al-Hamada.png? Is it taken from a video screenshot, and of which video? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I took a screen shot of one of the videos Mazen appeared in---it was a dumb, knee-jerk attempt to add an image to the wiki, as there are no images of Mazen on Wiki-Commons except the ones I've made (which keep being removed). Is there a solution to this? Thank you for taking the time to help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcnelsonart (talk • contribs) 00:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading an image protected by copyright wasn't the smartest move but that can be fixed of course. As I mentioned in the deletion discussion on Commons an image in an article is nice but not a must.

So about these sketches you added to this article, and other articles: personally I don't find something wrong about adding a sketch to a BLP article. What I didn't like (& I suspect it's what mostly bothered others as well) was that you put your name and username in the caption. It appeared as if you only added the sketch to promote your artwork. Our styleguide (specifically MOS:CREDITS) recommends not to credit the image author unless they are independently notable (e.g. portrait of Albert Einstein taken by Ferdinand Schmutzer).

Before you add the sketch back to this article, I'd prefer to hear some opinions by other users as well though. – NJD-DE (talk) 01:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moving the discussion here has been requested and done ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:15, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcnelsonart: can I suggest this discussion about the appearances section be moved to Talk:Mazen al-Hamada? Also, you've asked twice in as many hours for a response regarding that section; remember please we are all volunteers and and there is no deadline. VQuakr (talk) 20:52, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How does one move a discussion to a different page? Sorry, I am new to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcnelsonart (talk • contribs) 20:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done: It's now moved, no worries. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:15, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for all of your help! I am sorry for all the newbie mix-ups. I can see why the addition of my user name to the sketches looked like self promotion. I created the captions when uploading the images to wiki commons, and thought I needed to label where the images came from. In the future, can I add an image (if requested by a contributor, as long as my name does not appear? Thank you again. Marcnelsonart (talk) 02:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My $.02 is that we're better off with no image than with a sketch for a contemporary biography. It's an editorial opinion though, and I'm interested to hear if I'm in the minority. VQuakr (talk) 02:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that no image might be better for now--I removed the PNG in question. I would like to be able to re-add the "Appearances" films in the future, as these are important resources for exploring the life of this person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcnelsonart (talk • contribs) 14:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Self-created sketches may be problematic (WP:BLPIMAGE, WP:OI). I'd rather not include them. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remarks made earlier

If possible (I understand Twitter/X and other alts are not RS), but the below rant posted by al-Hamada should be incorporated into the article. He displays vitriolic sectarianism after the defeat of ISIS around Deir Ezzor, where he claims that Syria is Sunni land and that Sunnis will dance on the heads of non-Sunni women and children. At the very least, it's a pertinent detail.

https://nitter.poast.org/Alaa2pasha/status/1866235702565826778#m 2601:85:C100:46C0:9DA7:8741:642A:FE4C (talk) 00:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]