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Former good article nomineeMayslake Peabody Estate was a Art and architecture good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
November 14, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 21, 2007.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that the Mayslake Peabody Estate (pictured), built for Francis Stuyvesant Peabody between 1919 and 1921, has a secret staircase which leads from Peabody's private study to a bomb-proof basement?

Good article nomination on hold

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This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of November 3, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: The prose is good but could benefit from some improvement; will assist with this as the review progresses. There are some inconsistent conversions from imperial to metric that should be cleaned up also.
2. Factually accurate?: Some work needed here.
  • The Geocities link is arguably not a reliable source, but more importantly, the phrasing of the content it supports ("It is said that he was buried near the lake, and a chapel was built on the site where he had died") conflicts with a stronger statement made in the following section. Suggest just removing this sentence and reference.
  • The phrase "was constructed in 1919" doesn't jive with Peabody's death described as "Only a year after Mayslake Hall was completed, on August 27, 1922".
  • Your sentences "In 1991, the Franciscans announced the pending sale of its remaining 87 acres to a developer who planned to raze its buildings and build 130 luxury homes" and "DuPage County voters approved a $17.5 million referendum for the Forest Preserve District to purchase Mayslake" are very nearly verbatim from the Chicago Sun-Times source; I'm sure it was inadvertent, but they should be rewritten to avoid any hint of copyvio.
  • The footnote for "personal fortune of $35 million and a business fortune of $75 million" is not the right one; this fact seems to be from the Forest Preserve site.
  • The footnote for " In 1926, the Portiuncula Chapel [. . .] was added" does not seem to support the date.
  • The "Art students help restore historic Mayslake estate" reference link is broken.
3. Broad in coverage?: This is an interesting topic and the article left us with some questions.
  • Who built the chapel? You haven't said, but the Forest Preserve source says it was built by the family. This brings the date into question again - if it was built by the family, it seems likely it would have been done before they sold the property in 1924.
  • I'd like to see a little more background on the 'old' estate - why 848 acres? The Sun-Times article indicates that the original estate encompassed some 60 buildings, including "elaborate stables and an outdoor arena where prominent Chicagoans participated in horse shows". This type of info would help flesh out the estate's history.
  • Is more information available on the architecture of the buildings? I'd be curious to know why he'd build a bomb shelter, and I found mention of an elaborate solarium. Additionally, interwiki links on 'massing' and 'half-timbering' would help the casual reader.
4. Neutral point of view?: pass.
5. Article stability? pass.
6. Images?: Kudos on doing your own photography! Please fill out the 'source' field on the images.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far.

Forgive the standard blahblah formal template text around the list above - I think next time I'll skip the template. Let me add that this was an interesting read, and I'm sure we can get it to GA shortly. This list includes comments from User:Malleus Fatuarum as well, and we'll both gladly jump right in and help with these issues where we can. Maralia 18:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi, just to say that I'm in complete agreement with all of the points raised in that review and, as Maralia said, we'll both do everything we can to get this article its well-deserved GA listing. I too found it an interesting read, and the editors are to be congratulated on what's been achieved so far. --Malleus Fatuarum 19:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Forgive me for adding additional review points as they occur to me, but the lead says "The estate is located in the western Chicago suburb of ...", which leads me to believe that it's in an outlying part of Chicago. Yet the infobox says that the nearest city is Oak Brook. I'm not from the USA, so it may just be my misunderstanding of how the term city is used over there. Do cities have other cities in their suburbs? --Malleus Fatuarum 20:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi, sorry for failing to take action on the article sooner.. I just started to fix the mentioned problems above, hopefully it will be better than what it was. As for the city confusion; the mansion is located in the city of Oak Brook, but Oak Brook is a suburb of the city of Chicago. So, yes, cities over here have other cities in their suburbs. —dima/talk/ 01:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Will you be able to address the outstanding issues from this review, or is it now time to fail this nomination? --Malleus Fatuarum 04:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While dissapointing, I won't be able to address the issues right now.. I have been busy lately, and won't have enough time to finish it up right now. Maybe I'll have some time to re-work the article to GA and expand it in a couple of weeks.. Thank you for your helpful suggestions towards improving the article, —dima/talk/ 05:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is indeed disappointing. With Maralia's agreeement I've now removed this article from the list of GA nominations. We both hope that it won't be too long before it's ready to be re-nominated. --Malleus Fatuarum 18:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to get it done ASAP. I will have some free time coming up on Thanksgiving, so I will try to get it done then. Sorry for the inconvinience, —dima/talk/ 01:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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