Talk:May Childs Nerney

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 02:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that as secretary of the NAACP, May Childs Nerney has been credited with "laying the fundamental groundwork" for "the most powerful organization battling racial injustice"? Source: https://archive.org/details/jimcrowwilsonadm0000patl

• QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/International sanctions during apartheid

Created by Eddie891 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:40, 26 September 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, its well sourced and neutral. Hook is cited. Copyvio "unlikely". Really interesting to read. Lajmmoore (talk) 08:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

To T:DYK/P2

Mini-WiG Review (20-minute assessment)

Hey Eddie891 -- Nice work on this article! It's looking fairly solid in terms of content, sourcing, writing and MOS. I did a quick copy edit for clarity/flow, which you're welcome to keep or not keep as you like. I have a few suggestions for improvement before you nominate this for a proper GA review:

• Was her first name May or Mary? The article is titled "May Childs Nerney," but the lead and info box use "Mary." From an internet, it does appear that Nerney was referred to by both names (many reviews of her book call her Mary Childs Nerney). I recommend choosing the most consistently-used version of her name, while clarifying that she was also referred to by the other.
• The lead seems very short -- I think you could expand it a little bit by naming the Edison biography (plus year of publication) and including the other organizations Nerney was involved with.
• For GA articles, all direct quotations should be cited (even if it's the same source used for subsequent sentences). I've inserted some "cite needed" tags for all sentences with quotes that I noticed lacked citation.
• Is there any more info on Nerney's early life or family? It feels like she sprung out of thin air in 1902, and it would certainly be interesting to learn about where she came from (if possible). When I did a newspaper scan, I did find one clipping from 1917 that suggests Nerney was living with her mother in Greenwich Village, New York, that year while working for the National Consumers League.

Good luck with the nomination! I think this article is almost ready to go. Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Alanna the Brave Thanks for taking a look at this. My understanding is that May is a nickname of Mary-- in looking at the sourcing I thought she was marginally more referred to this, that's why the article is there, but per MOS:NICKNAME, It is not always necessary to spell out why the article title and lead paragraph give a different name. If a person has a common English-language hypocorism (diminutive or abbreviation) used in lieu of a given name, it is not presented between quotation marks or parentheses within or after their name.. The infobox title is supposed to match the page title. Lede expanded. I'm not sure where you see in the gacrit that quotes need to be cited directly after if it's just the same that follows-- could you quote the portion you refer to? I'll add the article you found-- good spot!-- but there is unfortunately less information than I'd wish-- Nerney seems to have been relative obscure before her term with the NAACP. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 17:14, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Eddie891: Glad to help. If May is a nickname, you might consider naming her as Mary "May" Childs Nerney in the lede, which will at least forestall any more questions about it. :-) Regarding the citations for quotes, I'm working from GA criteria (2) (b) all inline citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons, which is expounded upon in the "What the Good Article criteria are not" essay, which states that the aforementioned line names five types of statements for which the good article criteria require some form of inline citation. I'm looking at it more closely, and you're right that it doesn't explicitly ask for inline citations in the sentence with the quote (it's suggested but not stated). I'll leave the decision of whether to implement that up to you -- I've had reviewers ask me to cite my quotations this way in past reviews. All the best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 17:44, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Alanna the Brave I would have happily directly cited them, but looks like JennyOz beat me to the punch. I've found that she was once a California librarian and added it to early life. I also found a source clarifying May vs. Mary, and I'm not so sure it's a nickname. Hard to say, so I just added it as a note. What do you think now? Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

@Eddie891: I think it looks good! No other immediate suggestions. Alanna the Brave (talk) 14:17, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:May Childs Nerney/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 19:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Copyvio/Plagiarism check - all good. I reviewed matches above 5% on Earwig's Copyvio Detector and the only matches were titles etc.

Images - Image used is appropriate and appears to be legitimately public domain.

Early life

• "Nerney received degrees from Cornell University in 1902 and,[2] three years later," - I'd suggest moving the cite, to something like "Nerney received degrees from Cornell University in 1902,[2] and, three years later," as source 2 is supporting the 1902 not the "and"; or just move the cite next to 3 and 4, maybe employing a WP:CITEBUNDLE.

• moved as per the first suggestion

• I'm not sure how long a source can be before page refs should be provided, so I'll say optionally you could add the page ref (p.83) for the Hansen source.

• Oh yeah, I should. Added. I saw a discussion on WT:FAC that >10 is a pretty good guideline

NAACP involvement

• You could wikilink intellectual

• sure

• Although Rudwick and Meier are both wikilinked, you could consider a brief introduction for them, something like "In 1967, historians Elliott Rudwick and August Meier ..."

• Done

• "She personally traveled around the country" - I don't have access to the source, is there any more detail available, e.g. something that helps quantify this?

• Unfortunately, no

• I note that MOS:PEOPLANG says "there is no consensus against what is sometimes perceived as inconsistency in the same article (Black but white)"

• I've used the style I've seen increasingly common lately but am not wedded to it.

Thomas Edison

• "At 334 pages, Nerney wrote it because she did not think an adequate biography of Edison had been written." - doesn't quite read right to me.

• It's, I think a, consequence of over-eager paraphrasing. Rephrased

• Add a comma after "Nerney had interviewed Edison for the book", or do something else to meet MOS:CITEPUNCT for ref 28.

• Comma added

Breadth and depth are appropriate, based on what I've seen in sources. I couldn't access all sources used, but did some spot checks on those I could and found no issues. NPOV maintained.

I don't have much to say here, except good work, Eddie891, and many thanks to Alanna the Brave for the pre-review. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @BennyOnTheLoose, what do you think now? Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 20:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks, Eddie891. Happy to pass this for GA now. (I just ran a script for dashes, as I'd forgotten to check those.) Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)