Talk:Matt Parkman

Alive

Im pretty shore hes still alive cause when he was on the stretcher his face wasnt fully covered when dead people do.

Categories

Wait, wait... are we really ready to classify Matt as a Superhero? --DJ Chair 18:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I dont think he is explicitly called a superhero anywhere here? However, out of anyone else on this show I think he, and the cheerleader, comes the closest. Hes actually saving peoples lives, others are painting pictures, jumping off playground sets etc.

That comment was addressing the categorization made by a user a couple of weeks ago, it has been since decided that until the character does something "super-hero-y" that the category won't be added. But, I think Matt has the next best chance at being called a Superhero --DJ Chair 02:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hero= someone who does good deeds. Super= over, better, (supergenius, superstrong...etc) Matt fits both of these catagories, answer your question?69.118.144.236 23:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

-Don't forget super sexy! ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.71.230 (talk) 07:40, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

bullet proof vest

Why dose it link to bullet proof vest? Sylar could have been useing another superpower. The brain thing is most likely permement power theft.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tortanick (talk • contribs) at 21:47, October 10, 2006

Well, those are nice assertions, but highly unlikely. The bullets fell to ground after he got up; they pushed him down and fell out of him. Read the bulletproof vest article, you might learn thing. And your brain theory, while nice, isn't really helpful. Even if I wanted to do something with it, this isn't Sylar's article. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 23:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

W-ouch, there's some serious fire burning beneath these ACS posts, it's delightful to not be on the receiving end from time to time! --DJ Chair 13:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Better to be blunt than pretentious. I'm not Maddy. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 16:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Louis?!?

Why does his wife refer to him as Louis after they make love in the episode "Hiro's"???--Sdp4408 05:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I thought she just exclaimed in a rush of breath, like "whooeey!" Rihk 00:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Is Hearing Only The Beginning?

I find it unlikely that Matt's powers are just limited to receiving the thoughts of others in a form of language that only he could perceive. A bulk of other fictional telepaths has attained control of several aspects of the ability: Taranee Cook's (from W.I.T.C.H) version allows her both reception as well as transception of existing thoughts, and even the Anzati species, from Star Wars, have honed their power in such a way they could literally stun sentient beings by mere mind power. It's possible that Matt has yet to acess his potential to the fullest, just like Peter did until the episode "Distractions", where he learned he can summon back powers that he been exposed to in the past even if their original masters were several miles away from his immediate vicinity. Plus, I think the idea of him being able to transmit his own thoughts to others will be a cool idea, since Bennet likened Matt's ability as a "one-way conversation". And if he ever develops this different aspect of his power, well, Bennet, watch out. 'Cause no amount of cotton swabs will prevent you from hearing telepathic insults from Parkman if you ever piss him off. At least neither of you will never need to put each other on speed dial no more; that or Matt wouldn't need a cell phone no more

I think it'd also be cool if he could somehow communicate with (if not control) animals via his power, I mean that's how Aquaman plays hero in scaly tights, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.247.98 (talk) 05:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

How would these changes improve the article? RussNelson 05:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

When he telepathically convinced Nathan that they were attacking each other due to Maury's mental illusion, was that the first time he "spoke" with someone, telepathically? --192.58.204.226 15:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Headaches/Passing out

Twice we have seen Matt pass out after trying to pick out a certain person's thoughts in a crowded area and narrow it down. Is it too early to add as a "weakness"? Rihk 00:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

What? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing hard to understand with Rihk's comment, he wants to know if we should mark a section in Matt's article called weakness and list his inability to narrow his field of telepathy in a crowded room.

However, I believe that this is the show's way of portraying his development of his power. Imagine you're in a room full of people, who are all shouting at you at the top of their lungs... you try to listen to only one as you walk around the room, but doing so alters the volume of each person. Soon enough, you'd be likely to have a head-splitter too. --DJ Chair 13:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

not to mention that mr. bennet says that they had to drug him, which is why he passes out in the bar. --Sdp4408 14:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

There's plenty hard to understand if you don't simply (mis)interpreted it with your own POV. It's already mentioned that multiple thoughts have been a problem. However, like SD said, he was drugged before and we don't know for sure if he collapsed again here. As for the headache, I thought he had that coming in. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry ACS, my bad. It seemed that he had a headache from excessive mind-reading of his wife during the day, to try and repair his marriage. When he went to get aspirin, he taxed his power to the limit, apparently. Perhaps he was still under the influence of HRG's drug though. Until next week, we can't say for certain. Rihk 144.15.255.227 02:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

seems he gets nosebleeds too. Rihk 05:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

But when Matt was talking to Ted Sprague at the FBI headquaters, Ted said that he started getting headaches after he was kidnapped by the Haitian. And Matt didn't start getting headaches until after he got kidnapped.71.201.77.1 00:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Markings on shoulder

Near the end of "Nothing to hide" it is revealed that Parkman and Theodore Sprague both have similar markings on their shoulder blades. I gather we don't know the cause of this yet. It doesn't look like Nikki's tatoo. I'd speculate some sort of chip that Bennet's people had installed on them. Has this been seen on other characters? Is it too soon to note this in the article? -MrFizyx 21:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd say it's too soon yet. But it'll be something to keep our eyes on. WorldsCollide 22:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Dyslexia

In "Six Months Ago", Matt revealed that he has difficulty with the detective's exam not because he doesn't know the answers, but because "half the letters look backwards", indicating that he suffers from dyslexia. Runolfr 21:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and that's already in the article. :) Primogen 22:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Silly me. I thought it would be under a "Six Months Ago" heading, not at the top. Runolfr 22:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It's up there because it's been mentioned in more than one episode. "Six Months Ago" was the second time his dyslexia has come up. --Psiphiorg 00:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Peter Petrelli?

Shouldn't the interview with Peter Petrelli in 'Fallout' be included? Esp. since he trays to read Peter's mind...and have Peter in turn read his mind. Cymbalta 20:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

What about it, that it caused a resonant feedback loop? Rihk 04:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Grunberg spotting

Greg appears in the last shot, in a bathtub on a trailer-bed rolling down the street, of the commercial for the Kimberly-Clark/The View Room-a-Day Giveaway.

I added the above to Trivia on the actor's page, but refrained from adding it to the Matt Parkman page :) --Bill W. Smith, Jr. (talk/contribs) 19:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Who's the daddy?

It does not even occur to Matt that the baby his wife is carrying may not be his, but I am sure it eventually will. --Bill W. Smith, Jr. (talk/contribs) 19:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Another power (lie detection)?

In episode 11 Matt was able to tell that Peter wasn't lying about Claire, despite the feedback. When Peter said "You need to find her. You need to protect her." there was a pause when Matt was looking at Peter (possibly using his power). At this time there was a silence (apparently no thoughts conveyed) and then he told Audrey that "He's telling the truth." So how did Matt know he wasn't lying? Just by the absence of thought? Or does he have a related power? Also, in episode 16 (Unexpected) Ted knew that Matt could detect lies and Matt didn't correct him. So how does he detect lies? Can't people think lies, just as they can speak them? Certainly Bennet would know Matt's powers in advance and could do that, I would think. Thoughts? GameCreator 20:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Just because we did not get to hear the thoughts that he is reading, does not mean there were not any. Like a few episodes back when he read his wife's mind and found out she was pregnant, we did not hear her think "I'm pregnant", there was just a silence and then Matt said "You're pregnant?". 192.203.136.254 14:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that was more of shock than anything. He did a sort of double take. --Arwen undomiel 23:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Good point. But still, what does he hear? "I'm not lying?" GameCreator 23:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Most people will think of the truth before they tell the lie. So when he said "He's not lying" meaning he read his mind and compared it to what he said... -Xornok 23:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Japanese

In compain Man he hears Bennet thinking japanese, so does this mean he has a weakness because he can only under stand english thoughts?- red Spiderman 3/1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.89.117 (talk) 22:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

Your title has it right - Japanese, not Chinese. To answer your question: No, this is not a weakness. I would be willing to bet that Claire doesn't know Japanese. Niki and DL probably don't. Would you list it as a weakness for them as well? Someone may find a way to circumvent his ability, but that is not the same as a weakness. Valaqil 15:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it would since he wouldn't be able to understand foriegners thoughts or some one thinking in a different languege (like bennet)- redspiderman 3/5

Okay, let's try an analogy. If I chained an anchor to Nathan's ankle that was sufficiently heavy enough, he would not be able to fly. Would that mean that he has a weakness to weights? No, that's silly. There are some things that the "Heroes" can not overcome with their abilities, but that does not make the aforementioned circumventions weaknesses. Valaqil 18:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Matt has more of a chance to talk to hear some foriegh's thought then Nathen get straped to an anchor (even though he is shown carrying others in flight) and lets say some one fom the "company" wants to think but doesn't want Parkman to know so think in another languge- redspiderman 5/14

Wait, I don't get this. Why is it a weakness if he doesn't understand another language? — hippi ippi₊₊⁺⁺ 12:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

People can use it against him, he can't under stand another languge means his power is use less- Red 4/3

Yes, but you fail to see that he can still hear their thoughts, regardless of whether he can understand them. He wouldn't be able to understand them if they spoke out loud.WorldsCollide 05:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Wait, these people think in a language? So what does he hear around someone who thinks in thoughts, and not in words? 219.77.134.32 15:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

better, yet what if he reaad the mind of someone who didnt speak any lagnuage at all?69.118.144.236 23:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

someone like helen keller? though i agree that it is not a weakness. he is fully capable of hearing thoughts in another language, though he is unable to interpret it. this can easily be circumvented by having an interpreter, as he demonstrated in the pilot. it doesn't diminish his power in the least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akuzio (talk • contribs) 07:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

more than telepathy?

After "fire years gone", i'd say that his power extends beyond telepathy as he is able to probe into people's minds and read their memories. 90.184.240.251 08:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)'

I think you mean "more than thought-reading" -- telepathy is a rather general term. 68.184.46.215 00:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I think Matt Parkman's abilities might expand, his father, Maury Parkman, has told him that his abilities will begin at mind reading and eventually he will gain more abilities. I'm pretty sure thats what he said in the last episode, maybe this should be included in the article. Wraith12 09:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)Wraith12

Did Parkman knew that Sylar was Nathan?

Think about it, not only he is "evil" in the future but he doesn't seems to be very surprice when Nathan/Sylar shows them his "powers" to fight Petter, so maybe he knew beforehand that Nathan was actually Sylar 200.88.230.141 18:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Matt knew the president was actually Sylar. Sylar was very careful whenever he impersonated someone, too careful to become sloppy and let something slip. I have a pretty good feeling that Matt wouldn't have worked for Sylar the way he works for "Nathan" anyway. Think about it--the guy supposedly killed .07% of the world's population; I just can't see Matt working for Sylar without asking some serious questions. Besides, you can't say Matt guessed the truth just because the president appears "evil." Matt himself is a much more ruthless, cold, and calculating character in the future--he doesn't hesitate to murder in cold blood or use brute force that borders on torture and cruelty. Arwen undomiel 20:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

And you have to recall that Parkman was never shown to have seen Sylar taking off his disguise even in the finale. -- Psi edit 21:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Parkman's lack of judgement?

I've noticed that Mr. Parkman has a certain lack of judgement. Many times when he reads someone's mind, he immediately responds to what they thought. This was made most obvious in Lizards (Heroes) where he read Mrs. Petrelli's mind and immediately asked her "Who might want revenge on you?" Well of course she immediately picked up on the fact that he was a mindreader and after asking for her lawyer, ordered him out of her mind.

The article says nothing about this aspect of this character's character. Any suggestions on how to incorporate this? RussNelson 02:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Killed Hana?

It says that he killed Hana in the alternate future. I thought that was Hana too (working with Bennet), but then HOW did Sylar gain her powers? If it requires him to kill her, she would be dead already, and not by Parkman's gun. It could also mean Sylar can learn powers without killing, but it seems unlikely. Can anyone verify whether that REALLY is Hana dead?60.52.121.146 07:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

He didn't. he had Candice's power to create illusions. Hana could talk to computers. BioYu-Gi! 18:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Age

Parkman is 38; in Fight or Flight', Matt mentions that he has not seen his father in 25 years, and also mentions (it may have been in the same episode, or the previous one) that his father left when he was 13. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.90.211 (talk) 16:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

And? asyndeton 16:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Ages are listed when known for other characters, and Parkman's age is known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.90.211 (talk) 16:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Power

Matts and his fathers power is mind control not telepathy i will rewrite the power substory for matt and repost l8r —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homeman892003 (talk • contribs) 17:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Take it from the Wikipedia article - "Telepathy is a common theme in fiction and science fiction, with many superheroes and supervillains, having telepathic abilities. Such abilities include both sensing the thoughts of others, and 'controlling the minds of other people'." I think that it should stay as Telepathy and not mind control. 201.1.23.29 16:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Agree. Telepathy is an all-encompassing term, covering each and every skill Parkman displays. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

I cleaned up the article, but it might need more work. BioYu-Gi! (talk) 21:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Why does the Matt Parkman character page doesn't have a photo of the character. it had one before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abnermisael (talk • contribs) 14:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The image was deleted for not having any source information. Josh (talk | contribs) 15:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Sylar07's edit of 7 Dec

I'm not sure I like Sylar07's massive edit of 7 Dec. There are spelling errors, e.g. their/there too/to. There are unreferenced opinions expressed, e.g. "Parkman is a kind and generous man." -- RussNelson (talk • contribs) 17:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Discussion of edits

Before making any significant edits to this page, please go over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Heroes and participate in the discussion there. People are reverting edits, even on talk pages, and while it's good to boldly edit, if your edit is reverted, it's important to discuss further edits ON THE TALK PAGE. RussNelson (talk) 20:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Adding info from trailers and teasers.

RFC is over.

My contention is that stuff from commercials is not significant enough to include in the article. It's not like we have to "scoop" some other source or anything. The info that goes into the article should have a value, noting that a commercial exists is not as important as it may look. If it's in a commercial then it may be in the show (there have been commercials aired that included cuts not in the broadcast show). The big difference being when the info is in the show it will be in context and we can add what is significant and what the info means, not just some guy standing in a desert. padillaH ^{(review me)}_{(help me)} 17:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

This story is not about a show, but is instead about a character. As time goes on, we will always be finding out more about a character. I see no reason to wait for any one show to record published information about a subject. RussNelson (talk) 20:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

To what end? The blind recitation of data? What does "He's standing in a desert" add to this article? There are events in the show that are banal enough to not need inclusions here I don't see how something as fleeting as a glimpse in a commercial (that will, by definition, become obsolete ) warrants inclusion. What does it add to the article? Nothing. padillaH ^{(review me)}_{(help me)} 20:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The information is important because it reveals that (for example) the character continues to exist, and change. Yes, there are events which are banal. These events are reasonable to record -- even though they will change -- because, although they may become banal in the future, they constitute the only available information about the future of the character. Yes, in the future they may change, but that's then; this is now; Wikipedia is mutable. Oh, and he's not standing in a pudding. RussNelson (talk) 22:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

So, information for information's sake? That absolutly flies in the face of WP:N but I'd like to get others to weigh in on this. You've said why, I've said why not. Let's see if we can't some more opinions. Oh, and thanks for the correction but be careful there are those that don't like people messing with other editors comments even if it's to correct spelling. padillaH ^{(review me)}_{(help me)} 12:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

"If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it" or so it says at the bottom of the edit page. If someone doesn't like their speling corected, they shouldn't make spelling mistakes. RussNelson (talk) 14:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to start an RfC because I don't want this to linger too long (as I mentioned the lifespan of a commercial is rather short) and I don't want to WP:CANVAS. padillaH ^{(review me)}_{(help me)} 13:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Commercials are intentionally misleading and incomplete. Is it all in Matt’s head? Is he really in the desert? We don’t know, and Wikipedia isn’t the place for speculation. Updating this article can wait till the new season, since Wikipedia doesn’t have a deadline. --Phirazo 14:42, 5 August 2008

I agree with Phirazo, there is no deadline, we cannot take information from a teaser as it is not shown in context - it is designed to increase interest in the show. We can't tell the future and we can't guess.--WORM | MЯOW 11:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Do we still need the Alternate Future section?

I'd like to get rid of the alternate future sections. They are outdated and invalid since Peter stopped that version of the future from happening. Yes, I understand there are references to the future in the new season but to keep the information on the off chance that it will be related to something that might come up is the embodiment of WP:CRYSTAL. We need to purge these sections. padillaH ^{(review me)}_{(help me)} 13:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

First Appearance

Should Matt Parkman's First Appearance in the Infobox, be changed from 'Don't Look Back' to 'Unaired Pilot'? The Unaired Pilot first appeared on DVD after the entire first season had been aired, so it could be considered the last episode of season 1 but it was the first episode to be produced. Observatorr (talk) 09:11, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Remove precognition

Matt doesn't actually have precognition like Isaac Mendez or Usutu does, he just uses telepathy to reach the same "plane of consciousness". Therefore, his ability is still solely telepathy. This is somewhat of an issue since it's been stated that all characters on the show have only one ability, with the obvious exception of those who's abilities allow them to copy others (Peter, Sylar, Arthur, Linda, etc.). --PJDEP (talk) 06:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

It is still precognition though, and identical in appearance to the power of Isaac and Usutu. Ωphois 15:33, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Regardless, he's using telepathy to achieve precognition. He also uses telepathy to create illusions like Candice, hypnotize like Eden, and create dreams like Sanjog (Indian boy from season 1 that revealed Shanti to Mohinder in a dream), but we don't list those along with telepathy. And, even if you don't count heroeswiki as an official source, it was stated on the show itself that individuals can only possess one base ability. --PJDEP (talk) 20:46, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

How about something like: Telepathy (resulting in Mind-reading, Mind control, Mental Manipulation, and Precognition). Ωphois 21:00, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

That sounds better, it didn't make sense to just have one added effect there, simply because it was the most noticeable (the whole white eyes thing). Can it be changed? --PJDEP (talk) 21:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)