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Apparent threats directed at Michael Cohen

Citations [79][80][81][83][85] and [86] all refer to Gaetz' tweet as threatening. One even says "appeared to threaten". None that I can see say taunt. For this reason, I will restore the section heading that conforms to the preponderance of sources.- MrX 🖋 03:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Threatening? Yes. One threat is threatening. Your title says threats. My reading of the tweet is that it contains one threat, that of some kind of pending disclosure to Mr. Cohen's wife. "Apparent threat" would be consistent with the facts as I understand them. "Apparent threats" is not. You've reviewed 6 sources... could you confirm at least 2 specify multiple threats? Mcfnord (talk) 03:50, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood your edit summary. I'm fine with "apparent threat".- MrX 🖋 11:43, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Someday I'll tell you all about my trial on seven felonies for seven words I wrote. Fully acquitted and now obviously quite sensitive to what is and isn't a threat! :) Mcfnord (talk) 17:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2019

Rep. Matt Gaetz walked out during a May 8th discussion of the constitutional duty of U.S. Representatives. Therefore, Gaetz can be considered a traitor to the United States. Tabannon (talk) 20:34, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Þjarkur (talk) 20:43, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Issues with the article

Some drunken potato-face is obviously writing big chunks of his bio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.104.251 (talk) 08:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Along the same lines, can anyone defend why the subject's "legal history" (i.e., prior traffic infractions) merits presentation ahead of the political career that makes the subject noteworthy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.70.52.150 (talk) 10:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Why in the world are civil traffic citations noteworthy? Or is Wikipedia going to make an effort to include these for every politician? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.154.32.186 (talk) 16:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

It's pretty simple, actually. It isn't just getting caught for a few miles over the speed limit. He got arrested for DUI and then given preferential treatment. He doesn't have the requisite intelligence or civic-mindedness to know not to endanger other people. DUI is a moral failure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.217.18 (talk) 09:35, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

At least SIXTEEN civil traffic violations (especially speeding, not, like, failing to signal) and an arrest for DUI are noteworthy for a member of Congress (who is already noteworthy for the position of authority). Mcfnord (talk) 15:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry how is 16 speeding tickets in 16 years noteworthy for anyone most from before he was elected to office. Does he have more less or the same as other representatives to make his noteworthy. SCAH (talk) 17:28, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

16 easily establishes he is a repeat offender. SCAH - I have noted a comparison to other Florida legislators. starship.paint (talk) 03:27, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Green Real Deal

On April 3rd, 2019 Congressman Matt Gaetz introduced his legislative response to climate change titled the "Green Real Deal". As his legislation was being unveiled during the press conference he stated “History will judge harshly my Republican colleagues who deny the science of climate change”

GatorTales1990 (talk) 04:04, 8 June 2019 (UTC)James Kurtz II

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Gay rights

Should the section on gay rights be removed? I don't think we should be relying on an obscure primary source such as a bill amendment to say that Gaetz was involved in any legislative activity. If Gaetz's activity was significant then it should show up in independent secondary sources such as news reports. Here the cited news reports are about Gaetz's dad Don Gaetz, not Matt Gaetz. R2 (bleep) 23:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

I have searched and could find no secondary source tying Matt Gaetz to this legislation. Best guess is that he did this as a favor to his father, who was a vocal proponent of legalizing same-sex adoptions. But of course that's just speculation. I think the paragraph should be blanked. R2 (bleep) 23:40, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Most news reports from Florida publications do focus on his father as he was the more powerful Gaetz as a State Senator and there was ample question as to whether he would allow it to come up in the Senate. There was criticism in the manner in which the amendment came to be added to the bill and calls for it to be stripped. Matt Gaetz had partnered with Dem Rep Richardson on getting the amendment to the floor and added into the larger bill. The primary source shows his cosponsoring of the amendment.

You have the familial roles reversed, by the way. Like I said, there was significant social conservative backlash to the amendment and discussion of removing it. The elder Gaetz was in position to remove it and there was speculation he would. He ended up allowing it to move forward as is towards passage. He gave a speech (cited in the edit you removed) saying it was the younger Gaetz that convinced him to leave it be. The News Service of Florida later published a piece where the Elder Gaetz reiterated in speaking to others that it was Matt that gave him a fresh perspective on the issue from the eyes of a 33 year old and convinced him to leave the repeal in. (cited) A introductory/biographical piece by the New York Times years later (cited) describes his partnership with Democrats on specific issues and themselves cite his 2015 intervention in convincing his father to join with him and State Democrats to push the repeal of the Same Sex adoption ban. I want to reinsert the removed portion with these other sources but I felt it best to discuss it here first and lay that out.

His support for same sex adoption and cosponsorship of the repeal became a issue in his primary race in 2018 where a fellow Republican (Cris Dosev) challenged him as not being conservative enough. That included attacks on his role in the bills passage. Specifically a YouTube ad from that race used a recording where he speaks about his authorship of the repeal to students as an attack/negative. (Cited) I did not cite this in the original section as I felt the legislative history was enough without. Let me know.

DoesPolitics (talk) 15:17, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

References

Ah, thank you so much for providing that New York Times source. That's the first independent, reliable secondary source that ties Matt Gaetz to this isseu in its own voice. I suggest we scrap the current language and sourcing and simply mention that he persuaded his father to join Democrats to repeal the same-sex adoption ban, citing the Times source. The rest of it is superfluous. We also don't need subsection heading for so little content. R2 (bleep) 17:55, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

House Ethics Committee Investigation, and probable Expulsion

On June 28, 2019, The Committee on Ethics opened a full investigation to determine if Gaetz had engaged in witness tampering in the matter of Michael Cohen.

House Ethics Committee investigating Gaetz over Cohen threats U.S. Code Title 18. CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE Part I. CRIMES Chapter 73. OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE Section 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.207.2.173 (talk) 18:19, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Roosevelt Conservation Caucus

On July 10, 2019 Congressman Matt Gaetz co founded the Roosevelt Conservation Caucus with Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.), Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.), Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.)

The caucus was created to create a consensus on energy and environmental issues, including climate change.

GatorTales1990 (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)James Kurtz II

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BLP sourcing issue

Near to the entire first paragraph of the section, "Florida House of Representatives", is unsourced. Because it purports to contain a great deal of factual information, this violates WP:VER and a variety of other WP policies and guidelines. I therefore ask that the material be moved to talk, and slowly returned to the article, after the actual sources of the information can be placed. I specifically ask that the job be done carefully, and that a single reference that covers some, or even most of the material not be placed at the end of the paragraph. Such token sourcing, later revealed by careful checking, only undermines confidence in the encyclopedia. Please, instead, piece by piece, return the unsourced material, as each and every fact it contains is tied to sources. There is no lower bar for BLP material, and in this case, only registered editors can hold WP to its own standards (as the article is protected). Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.0.28 (talk) 14:34, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

I've added citations to all but one sentence. Good? -- Pemilligan (talk) 00:48, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Update to Investigations of Michael Cohen Tweets

The Florida Bar has found "no probable cause..." in its investigation of the Michael Cohen tweet. The article should be updated to reflect this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Groundhoglife (talk • contribs) 19:42, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

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Done -- Pemilligan (talk) 20:00, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Nazi connections in lead?

The reason most people (outside Florida) have heard about Gaetz is because of his ties to certain neo-Nazi groups, and repeated fascist sympathies. While this is already covered in the article under controversies, I wonder if it wouldn't be relevant to include a sentence in the lead. Most media coverage for Gaetz outside Florida appears relate to these issues. Jeppiz (talk) 00:26, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

No, that isn't why most people outside Florida have heard about Gaetz--he's sought and gained public attention in many other ways, especially in recent months--and, no, it shouldn't be added to the lead. It has sufficient coverage in the article already. -- Pemilligan (talk) 23:53, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

What is the "II" (second? junior?) about?

Gaetz's full legal name is Matthew Louis Gaetz II, per sources like http://www.legaldirectories.com/Gaetz-Matthew-Louis-II-767118-Atty.aspx . But his father's name is "Donald Jay Gaetz", per Don Gaetz, and his grandfather was S.J. "Jerry" Gaetz. So who is Matthew Louis Gaetz I (senior)? -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:04, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Although his birth record and public records of his subsequent years might identify him as Matthew Louis Gaetz, he prefers to be identified as Matthew Louis Gaetz II, for much the same reasons as Vincent Damon Furnier prefers to be identified as Alice Cooper: he believes it enhances his public persona. The chief difference between Furnier and Gaetz is that Furnier is a person endowed with particular innate skills as an entertainer and a person of note, whereas Gaetz is perfectly neither of those things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:EA01:1090:2878:F0:F364:BC9F (talk) 03:10, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2020

Gaetz was tested negative for coronavirus, but will remain in quarantine. Kabutops7 (talk) 16:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

References

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:34, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

@NotTheFakeJTP: The change I wanted was for the information about Gaetz receiving a negative test for coronavirus to be added. —Kabutops7 (talk) 00:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done -- Pemilligan (talk) 21:52, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Hot Takes With Matt Gaetz

Matt Gaetz has a podcast called "Hot Takes With Matt Gaetz"[1][2]. Can someone put this info on his personal life and external links? --2001:8003:59DB:4100:155E:126B:734:2976 (talk) 23:28, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Is it significant? -- Pemilligan (talk) 00:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

yes --2001:8003:59DB:4100:155E:126B:734:2976 (talk) 00:25, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I can't find any independent coverage (or even notice) of his podcast to make it worth mentioning in the article. edited to add: Members of Congress use various means to communicate to their constituents, it's routine. Schazjmd (talk) 00:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

since this is his wikipage would it be worth having as an external link for anyone interested in looking more into it ? --2001:8003:59DB:4100:155E:126B:734:2976 (talk) 00:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020

Please add that he has an adopted son 108.4.116.111 (talk) 03:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:32, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Interesting that this article does NOT say that "Nestor" moved into a home WITH HIS AUNT AND GAETZ who were living together, when he was 12 after his mother died, in order to make it seem that Gaetz and Nester are a couple. Thus the liberal bias continues in Wikipedia. 67.10.206.161 (talk) 14:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Matthew Gaetz newly announced "son"

Matt Gaetz has announced that he has a son named Nestor on Twitter, who he says came legally from Cuba in 2014, and lives with Gaetz. Nestor Galban is now 19 years old. Nestor was previously listed in a photo of Gaetz as a "local student" in a Tweet by Gaetz of two House pages. Nestor has also acknowledged on his own Twitter page that he was keeping this a secret to avoid media attention.

The following text was added to this article and removed twice saying it violates BLP.

In June 2020, Gaetz introduced a man named "Nestor," full name Nestor Galban, with whom he lives and calls his "son". Nestor immigrated from Cuba in 2014. By May 2, 2014, he was a House page visiting then-Florida AG Pamela Bondi Gaetz called Nestor a "local student" and a "House page" in 2016, captioning a picture of himself and two teens on the floor of the Florida State House. Nestor took the other "local student" and "page" in that picture, Sofia Burleson, to his 2019 homecoming. Nestor Galban responded to Gaetz's June 2020 post, writing that "I wanted as a secret (sic) before because I wanted to have a normal life without any of y’all getting in it. But now I’m 19 and I old enough to handle it."

This material should be on Matt Gaetz's wikipedia page. A politician's tweets on their official twitter page about themselves are clearly good sources of information. According to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons tweets normally cannot be used as sources "unless written or published by the subject of the article". This material should be restored to the main page promptly.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivaldi (talk • contribs) 19:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

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Oppose restoring this content. It is an attempt to smear the BLP subject by innuendo, such as enclosing "son" in scare quotes to suggest impropriety. WP:BLP mandates that such material must adhere strictly to Wikipedia's three core content policies:

• Neutral point of view (NPOV)
• Verifiability (V)
• No original research (NOR)

The disputed content in this instance violates all three of those policies. Additionally, citing Gaetz's tweet violates WP:BLPSELFPUB because it involves claims about a third party, a purported son with whom Gaetz shares no blood. NedFausa (talk) 20:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Matt Gaetz has not announced that he has a son named Nestor on Twitter. He has announced on Twitter that he has a son named Nestor. Big difference. Furthermore, there are few sources LESS reliable than a politician's Twitter feed. We know nothing about this "son". No reporter has independently verified their relationship. And it should tell you a lot that Gaetz began his tweet with "For all those wondering" despite the absence of evidence that any single person among the 7 billion on this planet had spent so much as 10 seconds wondering about such a thing.

This is a blatant "get out in front of the story" ploy, doubtless related to something we'll be hearing about in the next few days or weeks. It does not belong in his "Personal life" section - yet. Clamdigger7 (talk) 20:31, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

The original text was too long and presented in questionable manner, as noted above. If and as reliable sources pick this up, then I think the fact of his having an adopted son would be worthy of inclusion, briefly and without innuendo. I see it is now being reported by Fox News and Roll Call. -- Pemilligan (talk) 23:04, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

The two sources you mention contradict one another on an important detail. Roll Call headlines: "Matt Gaetz and the until-now unknown adopted son from Cuba." Fox News reports: "Gaetz didn't say whether Nestor was legally adopted." I am therefore disinclined to accept either of these sources. NedFausa (talk) 23:15, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

That sounds like another good reason to wait and see. I think the details will settle out soon enough. No need to rush it into print here. -- Pemilligan (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@NedFausa - How does that Fox News report contradict anything in my edit? Please don't revert edits you personally (?) have a problem with. Do you have a problem with mixed families? What's going on here. I don't see anybody on this talk page denying that Gaetz claims to have a son. As somebody with a mixed family myself I think it's interesting, valid, and verifiable. Doppelbrau (talk) 04:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Doppelbrau: As already stated in this thread, Roll Call and Fox News contradict one another on an important detail. Roll Call headlines: "Matt Gaetz and the until-now unknown adopted son from Cuba." Fox News reports: "Gaetz didn't say whether Nestor was legally adopted." I did not revert your edits for their content, but for their source, which is disputed in this section. Please await consensus to cite that particular Roll Call story, which yields the following in our article's References section:

Fontelo, Paul (June 18, 2020). "Matt Gaetz and the until-now unknown adopted son from Cuba". RollCall.com. Retrieved June 18, 2020.

That is unacceptable because, being directly contradicted by Fox News, it fails Wikipedia:Verifiability. NedFausa (talk) 05:06, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

No, @NedFausa, it is plainly NOT a requirement of WP:V that every single statement in every single source agree. You're an experienced editor. You know this. The only verifiable content is the content of the edit. It doesn't matter what somebody decided to title their article. Your reversions are being made baselessly, and you are quoting WP standards in bad faith, which at this point I can only assume comes from personal animus towards something about this topic. Doppelbrau (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

If there's any animus here, it's shown by your insistence on publishing a headline—"Matt Gaetz and the until-now unknown adopted son from Cuba"—that smears the subject of this BLP by insinuating that he's been hiding an adopted son. Please stop violating WP:EDITWAR to restore this scandalous and unfounded headline. WP:BLP has very high standards regarding WP:NOTGOSSIP: Scandal mongering or gossiping must be removed immediately from the article. NedFausa (talk) 05:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I have made a grand total of 2 substantive edits to this page. There is someone here engaging in an edit war, specifically breaking the three-reversion rule, but it is not me. I'm stepping away from this article now, but I hope that you reflect on what it says about you that you interpret neutral reporting on an adoption as a "smear". Doppelbrau (talk) 05:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

In my edit summary I cited the WP:NOT3RR exemption, which directs editors to remove contentious material that is libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced according to our biographies of living persons (BLP) policy. NedFausa (talk) 05:45, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

However, the material from Roll Call was not libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced, so your excuse does not stand up. The last material you removed doesn't even mention adoption. You could have added that it's unclear whether he was adopted. Instead, you remove all mention of this aspect of his personal life that everyone, including him, says is important. This is not the way to build an encyclopedia. Please stop vandalising Wikipedia. Peace Makes Plenty (talk) 09:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I salute Pokelova for adding this content cited to a source that does not violate WP:NPOV and WP:NOTGOSSIP by headlining that Matt Gaetz has an adopted son whom the congressman has been hiding. NedFausa (talk) 15:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Bad Math

The article states that Gaetz was 24 when Néstor was 12. He is 37 and Néstor is 19. He would have been 30. Not making claims of bias, just bad math. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ageoffroyi (talk • contribs) 13:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done: The article no longer states that Gaetz was 24 when Néstor was 12. NedFausa (talk) 05:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2020

In the "Personal Life", last paragraph, they need to correct the age. If Rep. Gaetz is 38 now and the son is 19, how was he 24 when the son was 12, when that was just 7 years ago? Or is the son now 29...? 2605:6000:66C5:1200:34B4:247E:346:2483 (talk) 16:06, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done: The article no longer states that Gaetz was 24 when Néstor was 12. NedFausa (talk) 05:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Also this. http://archive.flsenate.gov/SenateKids/index.cfm He could work as a page legally or whatever. And this https://twitter.com/ChattyChaplin/status/1273720999154868225?s=19 he practically said "son" before saying helper, because Nestor did not want to publicly mention it. Trump Derangment Syndrome. Even crazy Katie protected Gaetz https://twitter.com/KatieHill4CA/status/1273696328489426944?s=19 also about only 1 adoptions "That's adopting from Cuba not adopting a Cuban asylum seeker already in US soil. There's a difference."2A00:1FA0:48CB:EFFA:2D78:42E0:3509:A17A (talk) 05:26, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Please state your request in the form change X to Y. NedFausa (talk) 05:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2020

"and self-proclaimed White Nationalist" is not supported by the citation provided in any way and should be removed. It is slander,and not factual information. 71.6.41.162 (talk) 21:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done But for different reasons. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Controversies

Matt Gaetz is a great advocate for President Trump and the conservative movement. It looks like people on Wikipedia, by creating a category entitled "Controversies", would much rather use a great deal of language here to only smear this fine Republican Congressman from Florida's 1st congressional district. Democrat Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, and Eric Swalwell, just to name a few have their own set of "controversies", but mysteriously they don't garner any controversy space for their miss steps. Just wanted to point to the clear double standard exhibited throughout Wikipedia. They want donations, but no more from me until fairness is equal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.40.212.116 (talk) 13:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

I know this is an IP who won't ever respond, but you are aware you're allowed to edit Wikipedia pages to provide information about controversy, provided it's well-sourced, right? Oath2order (talk) 23:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2020

Matt Gaetz was the lone no vote on the Combating Human Trafficking in Commercial Vehicles Act, a bill combating human trafficking. This should be added in the article (Sources: [3], [4], [5]). 76.182.148.91 (talk) 19:55, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 21:44, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2021

"Spread falsehood about attack on the Capitol while attempting to overturn election results" to "Allegations about attack on the Capitol"

Current title is inflammatory. Edit would be more neutral and accurate, as it is a current event, and information is not complete. Angusandskye (talk) 13:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I've just changed it to "2021 storming of the United States Capitol", with a link below to the page 2021 storming of the United States Capitol. Other editors may decide other section titles are better, but the "spread falsehood..." one is too long, in my opinion. Seagull123 Φ 13:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Claiming Gaetz is a self-proclaimed White Nationalist reference

Claiming Gaetz is a self-proclaimed White Nationalist reference is not accurate at all. Nowhere in Citation #2 does Gaetz claim to be a White Nationalist. This appears incendiary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.84.171.205 (talk) 21:03, 24 June 2020) (UTC)

March 2021 DOJ investigation

"Matt Gaetz investigated over claims he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old, report says"--- Possibly (talk) 22:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

This is an allegation with literally zero evidence yet it is described as a controversy. Until it is confirmed by the DOJ, some victim, or a source goes on record it really is nothing but leftwing gossip. Should be dropped from the lede paragraph. The controversy paragraph should be moved to here, awaiting any form of confirmation. 68.134.72.214 (talk) 21:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Axios has presented the sum of total on the record statements regarding this possible investigation, (1) The Justice Department declined to comment. (2) Gaetz said his lawyers were informed by the Justice Department that, "I was not a target but a subject of an investigation regarding sexual conduct with women." (3) Asked what the charges could relate to, Gaetz said: "I have definitely, in my single days, provided for women I've dated. You know, I've paid for flights, for hotel rooms. I’ve been, you know, generous as a partner. I think someone is trying to make that look criminal when it is not." (4) Gaetz said he was "absolutely" confident none of the women were underage. 68.134.72.214 (talk) 21:50, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

He's under investigation by the DOJ, which is a huge deal, and far more than "gossip". DOJ won't ever comment on an active investigation. We have made note of his denials. This all meets BLP standards. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:00, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2021

Matt Gaetz Is Said to Be Investigated Over Possible Sexual Relationship With a Girl, 17

Representative Matt Gaetz, Republican of Florida and a close ally of former President Donald J. Trump, is being investigated by the Justice Department over whether he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and paid for her to travel with him, according to three people briefed on the matter.

Investigators are examining whether Mr. Gaetz violated federal sex trafficking laws, the people said. A variety of federal statutes make it illegal to induce someone under 18 to travel over state lines to engage in sex in exchange for money or something of value. The Justice Department regularly prosecutes such cases, and offenders often receive severe sentences.

It was not clear how Mr. Gaetz met the girl, believed to be 17 at the time of encounters about two years ago that investigators are scrutinizing, according to two of the people.

The investigation was opened in the final months of the Trump administration under Attorney General William P. Barr, the two people said. Given Mr. Gaetz’s national profile, senior Justice Department officials in Washington — including some appointed by Mr. Trump — were notified of the investigation, the people said.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/us/politics/matt-gaetz-sex-trafficking-investigation.html?referringSource=articleShare 2600:8801:930A:F400:ADCB:34E9:7DE4:15FE (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. There's already a section on this, if you would like to add to it feel free to suggest additional material, but what you posted there was just copied from the article. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 23:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Law firm where Matt Gaetz worked as an associate lawyer

Keefe, Anchors, Gordon and Moyle

The following link is to a document he signed and filed. His information is in the signature block on page 7.

https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/red-fish-chix.pdf

23.24.8.9 (talk) 15:56, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Matt Gaetz allegations

https://filmdaily.co/news/gaetz-allegations/ https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/us/politics/matt-gaetz-sex-trafficking-investigation.html Allegedly he was trafficking girls across state lines — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.254.12.37 (talk) 10:16, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Did you already forget about his son, Nestor, fake story? No, he was not kidnapped from Cuba and illegally adopted. No, Nestor working at 15 years old as a page is legal. No, Matt and his wife did not steal dogs for Nestor to play with. Yes, Matt did love Nestor's sister and when she died he did not give her brother to his father, adopting him instead and had to fight him in court (as an attorney). And no, Matt did not kill Nestor's real mother, she is still alive. There was no need to investigate it all like Twitter did. 2A00:1370:812D:178D:7CE2:42E2:6094:EB9F (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2021

Change

It is a federal offense to cross U.S. state lines to engage in sex in exchange for money or something of value with a minor.

To

It is a federal offense to cross U.S. state lines to engage in sex with a minor in exchange for money or something of value. 2607:FEA8:3D5E:4300:551C:AEEB:8D92:AE26 (talk) 14:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Prove me wrong, but I don't think that prostitution is any more legal if it isn't also simultaneously an act of statutory rape. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:36, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Also not done since the sentence in question could not be found in the article... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:38, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

It was there, but I just condensed/merged it into an earlier sentence. soibangla (talk) 19:41, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2021

The claims that the Wuhan lab or other Chinese sources created and released the Coronavirus as a bioweapon are NOT "unsubstantiated" in fact they have been confirmed, at a minimum, by a Chinese lab scientist in a position to know who is on the run, seeking asylum, from the CCP. Many parts of this wikipedia page have an obvious partisan bent to them & skew facts in a false or misleading light, including but not limited to the DWI arrest allegations. And you lock this page to protect that misleading bullshit ? Cfmalloy (talk) 02:32, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done, please provide a reliable source. Ericfood (talk | contribs) 06:19, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

2024 Presidential Election

I know that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, but in the first few months of 2021, Gaetz has emerged as a superstar in the Republican Party, He appears to the frontrunner in the race to be Trump's Vice Presidential running mate in 2024. Or, in the unlikely event that Trump does not run for re-election, Gaetz is widely considered to be a leading Presidential candidate in his own right. I haven't been able to track down any reliable neutral tertiary sources for this, however. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 03:52, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

In the absence of coverage in reliable sources, speculation like this is not acceptable per WP:NOTAFORUM. The purpose of this talk page is to discuss actionable proposals to improve the article, not to read crystal balls. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:11, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@TimothyHorrigan: - even if what you posited is true, Gaetz is currently mired in a huge scandal [6] that would have seriously damaged whatever chances he may have had. starship.paint (exalt) 14:26, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Lmao, no. Geatz is not going to be anyone's running mate. Also, political talking head speculation is not what we do her, so relax. -- Sleyece (talk) 13:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

WP:CRYSTAL. Also, this thread has really truly not aged well. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 15:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Matt Gaetz investigation

The investigation section should totally be its own page. There is so much additional information involving former aides resigning and Joel Greenberg having a trial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliantrevor (talk • contribs) 22:43, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

No. -- Sleyece (talk) 00:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Satire (PARODY), skeeze. Oh, I think I got your name wrong. I apologize. AllThatJazz2012 (talk) 11:29, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Its own page was AfDed without prejudice for re-creation as the story develops. My suggestion is to help the investigation section of this article grow like an uncontrolled tumour until we have no choice but to fork it back into a new article. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 14:30, 9 April 2021 (UTC)