Talk:Mason Ramsey

To add to article

To add to this article: Ramsey performed with Lil Nas X on the 2020 Grammy Awards, on January 26, 2020. 76.189.141.37 (talk) 03:04, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

He was born on November 16 2006 according to all online sources, but whenever I try to change it it always gets undone. He is 14 years old.

Then you should be able to provide a reliable source for this claim. Gossip sites do not count as reliable. --Denniss (talk) 15:27, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Why don't gossip sites count for something as simple as a birthday? Isn't it worse to have a Wikipedia article with misinformation than it is to use information from the hundreds of sites with the correct age and birthday? MapSignificant (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources --Denniss (talk) 21:33, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I cited two sources just to make sure everything's covered: one that gives his exact birthday, and one that says he was 11 when he became famous. --MapSignificant (talk) 01:04, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

False accusations on invalid source

Denniss has removed many different sources I had cited for this Wikipedia page. Those sources are Mason’s concert setlists from Setlist.fm or thefamouspeople.com

They include tours Mason’s been on, and just basic info on his birthdate and birthplace.

Denniss has removed these sources calling them invalid and has been basing off all info on this Wikipedia article from April 2018. He has also said that Mason was 10 when he got famous, yet he was really eleven at the time.

Many people have tried to explain this to Denniss by also adding different sources, and because the sources are not from two years ago, they are therefore for some reason, invalid. Da.simm (talk) 21:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Wiki has a strict BLP policy especially if this is related to minors. Gossip sites like famouspeople, famousbirthdays or imdb are invalid sources for bio data. The 10 years are based off the Time source, if this is in error please find a better one.--Denniss (talk) 09:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Da.simm, I agree that this is going way too far with the BIO concerns - it's not like his birthday is in some sort of controversy. But this is likely one of those cases where rules taken to the extreme are silly but there is nothing one can do about it. Gandydancer (talk) 11:14, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Gandydancer, I guess you're right. And at least we do know his real birthday so it doesn't have to turn into an editing war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Da.simm (talk • contribs) 17:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Denniss, I mean come on dude. Just go onto Google and type in Mason Ramsey age and it will tell you that he is thirteen and was born on November 16, 2006. There's no denying it after you look it up. Da.simm (talk) 08:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

And it doesn't list a single reliable source to back the age up. —C.Fred (talk) 15:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

C.Fred, Ok good God people. I can't believe you think that Youtube, or Google, or even Mason's website are unreliable sources. Hey did you know that a lot of people consider Wikipedia a pretty unreliable source? Well maybe that's because people like you think that the entire internet is untrue and nobody is reliable. I am so done trying to prove my point because it's already been made perfectly clear that there ARE sources that ARE reliable! But apparently you and Denniss think differently and do wrongly so. Da.simm (talk) 15:11 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Please show us this info on his website. I just found a site set up by his record company but without detailed bio info. --Denniss (talk) 00:19, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Denniss, masonramseyofficial.com this site tells you that he was 11 years old when his viral video was filmed on March 24, 2018. He's not 11 TODAY, but he was 11 two years ago, making him thirteen years old today. Da.simm (talk) 10:03 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Time says he was 10 when the video was filmed, in a story dated April 5. —C.Fred (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

C.Fred, April 5, 2018 correct?? And hey! Thanks for getting into my conversation. We weren't even originally talking about Time anyway. Da.simm (talk) 18:45 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Not directly, but it's a reliable source for his age as of a date. —C.Fred (talk) 21:30, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

C.Fred, Okay. Listen up. I am ending this before this turns into an editing war, because I'm not even frustrated anymore with Denniss, I'm frustrated with you. I know the correct birth date and this has been blown COMPLETELY out of proportion. Maybe not today, but someday, you will find out that you and Denniss are wrong. Have a good day annoying somebody else's innocent article. Da.simm (talk) 19:48 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Da.simm: If you know the date, why have you not provided a link to the reliable source that verifies it? —C.Fred (talk) 00:55, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Persisting on wrong date

The article says:

Mason Ramsey (born c. 2006 or 2007)

In the categories it says:

Category:2006 births

Consistently, despite the obvious facts, the wrongly written date of birth should still be a category

Category:2007 births or more precisely:

Category:Unknown births (which would be nonsense and at odds with common sense)

If someone arbitrarily claims something on the basis of one article, it does not belong in Wikipedia, as this would be original research, which Wikipedia prohibits. No matter how things stand, one must stick to the sources. All sources, however, have a date that I have given and which is confirmed in many sources. Anyone who stubbornly insists on his one-sided claim should add: "Mason Ramsey" ‘’’(born unknown)’’’ to the beginning of the article.

This would all be O.K., if sources didn't confirm otherwise. So I'm protesting that someone deleted my edit and reverted to the old state, which contradicts most sources. Many peoples translate from the English Wikipedia, so it is all the more important that it does not contain unverified claims. Let me name only two sources out of fifty: Celebrity Glorious and Wealthy Persons. Sapienti sat. --Stebunik (talk) 00:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Get us a reliable source or leave it as is. Gossip sites or wiki like sites (IMDB) are not considered reliable. --Denniss (talk) 05:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't know much about which websites are good and which are not. I'll list some, and you delete the ones that aren't right. Among so many sites, I hope to find some that you approve of.--Stebunik (talk) 22:10, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, especially Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources --Denniss (talk) 22:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

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