Talk:Maserati Ghibli (M157)

Platform

Unless there are no objections raised, I plan to add that this car uses the Chrylser LX platform. The Related category is not correct (engines aside) as M157 is derived from the Chrysler 300's platform - admittedly with a unique suspension and powertrain options. 73.48.150.124 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:32, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

So? It's a platform used by Maserati and named as such. U¹ _quattro TALK 20:05, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

It's not a Chrysler platform. Anyone who calls it a rebadged Chrysler 300 is either a liar or misinformed. The only thing from the 300 is the infotainment, that is it. 71.94.157.155 (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

NOT to mention if it WAS a Chrysler 300 platform it wouldn't have such a tight rear legroom that's slightly smaller than some compact luxury cars, nor would it have a trunk space of just 10 cubic feet. The 300, Charger, and Challenger are all built on an older Mercedes chassis (W220 front and W211 rear structure). Maserati is not dense enough to use an old chassis from its direct competitor. 71.94.157.155 (talk) 16:57, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Predecessor

Predecessor for this car should be a car of the same body or market placement (ie executive saloon: 430). 3200 GT was succeded by Coupé so can't be a predecessor for this Ghibli. It is illogical. 3200 GT was not a sucessor for every biturbo, just the 2-door Ghibli. 4-door cars were suceeded by Quattroporte IV. YBSOne (talk) 18:02, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry but this doesn't work like you think. It works what the company thinks and according to company records and the automotive press, the 3200 GT succeeded the BiTurbo and it's derivatives. The Quattroporte is a separate line of cars which has had its own successors. U¹ _quattro TALK 20:04, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

And FYI. The Quattroporte IV was itself based on the BiTurbo so it never succeeded Amy of the Biturbo family cars. It was a separate flagship model. U¹ _quattro TALK 20:05, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

First of all 3200 GT and Quattrroporte Evoluzione IV were both made in the same time. What is the logic that a coupe is the predecessor to the executive saloon line? 3200 GT already has it's successor. Also what is the connection between Biturbo-family and new Ghibli? Your logic is flawed. YBSOne (talk) 20:51, 30 April 2019 (UTC) Secondly Ghibli 336 although Biturbo-based was a successor to every Biturbo-family-coupe like Quattroporte IV although Ghibli-based was a successor to every Biturbo-family-saloon. Pages says so. YBSOne (talk) 21:00, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Present your evidence otherwise, stay off the pages. U¹ _quattro TALK 04:42, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Here are my sources that clearly suggest that the BiTurbo was replaced by the Ghibli AM336 and the Shamal which were replaced by the 3200 GT. The Quattroporte IV was a separate model. A sedan can have a coupé as it's predecessor, just like the BMW M3. It was offered as a coupé and was succeeded by the sedan version.

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/article/maserati-biturbo/

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/maserati/2000-maserati-3200-gt-ar670.html

Even the Maserati website states that the 3200 GT concluded the Biturbo Era as the Quattroporte IV was then offered as an Evoluzione with many improvements

https://www.maserati.com/maserati/international/en/brand/our-story/maserati-classic-cars/gran-turismo/3200gt

Now if you still want to be stubborn and argue profusely, I would report you to the admins as I have presented adequate and reliable sources which are in favour of my changes.U¹ _quattro TALK 05:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

And what all this has to do with Ghibli III?? Ghibli III is not a successor to Biturbo-family. YBSOne (talk) 09:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/article/maserati-biturbo/ This article does not mention "3200" at all

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/maserati/2000-maserati-3200-gt-ar670.html this article: "Developed to replace both the Shamal and its V-6-powered brother, the second-generation Ghibli", so Your opinion above: "BiTurbo was replaced by the Ghibli AM336 and the Shamal which were replaced by the 3200 GT" is purely made-up and not based on those non topic sources.

https://www.maserati.com/maserati/international/en/brand/our-story/maserati-classic-cars/gran-turismo/3200gt My question again, just because 3200 GT (2-door S-segment gran tourer) "concluded the Biturbo-era" what does it have to do with Ghibli III (executive 4-door saloon)? Show a source that has Ghibli III in it YBSOne (talk) 10:13, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

If You think that Ghibli III is a successor to Ghibli II it is also untrue. Both are from different segment and have different body styles. So they are only name-sake. Stop inventing stuff like predecessor by extension, trying to prove that Ghibli IIs succesor is the predecessor for Ghibli III. It is confusing, illogical and bias. YBSOne (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Maserati_timeline Here, use a timeline and draw a line between Ghibli III and 3200 GT and realise Your mistake. YBSOne (talk) 10:25, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Present a source, else I will report you to the admins over your crude behaviour. The sources state that the Ghibli was preceded by the 3200 GT. End to the Biturbo Era means just that. U¹ _quattro TALK 10:29, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

The Hemmings article mentions that the BiTurbo was replaced by the AM336 Ghibli which, according to the pages here, was inturn replaced by the 3200 GT. So I stand correct. U¹ _quattro TALK 10:30, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

FYI, the timeline you mentioned is also incorrect as it doesn't recognise the GranTurismo and GranCabrio as the successors to the Maserati Coupé and Spider when they are the successor of the two models. Your sources are questionable. U¹ _quattro TALK 10:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Time line is correct, just classification of Coupé as 2+2 instead of 4-seater isn't. I ask this for the 3rd, or so, time. Why do You think Ghibli III is a successor to Ghibli II and therefore whole Biturbo family?? Not once You've answered this question. YBSOne (talk) 10:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Because the sources state so. The Maserati website classifies the 3200 GT as the successor to the Biturbo family and that's enough for me to say so. U¹ _quattro TALK 10:47, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

You still blatantly refuse to give answer. Sources state about Biturbo cars and derivatives. What is the link to Ghibli III? Just the name??YBSOne (talk) 10:49, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

The Ghibli II succeeded the BiTubro and was based on the BiTurbo having the same engine and transmission as well. So it was a derivative of the Biturbo which was succeeded by the 3200 GT according to the Maserati website. I already gave the answer. U¹ _quattro TALK 10:56, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

This is Ghibli II You are talking about and we are on Ghibli III page. That is Your logic error that I try to show You. YBSOne (talk) 11:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

I am talking about the AM336 Ghibli being the derivative of the Biturbo which you fail to understand.U¹ _quattro TALK 11:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

And Ghibli III is not the successor of the Ghibli II (3200 GT was), just like Ghibli II was not a successsor to Ghibli I (Khamsin and Bora were). So it either is an orphan like Levante, or precedded by the last excutive saloon that was not a Quattroporte.YBSOne (talk) 11:38, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

That is also your assumption. U¹ _quattro TALK 16:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)