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Responsible for killing Michael Jackson?

Why is Bashir 'indirectly' responsible for Michael Jackson's death? A good question and I will try to answer it briefly. {Of course you don't have to take my word for it. If you do some research on the subject and you will probably come to the same conclusion)

In short, these are the facts as I know them (but please feel free to investigate yourself):

1. Bashir very cunningly flattered Michael Jackson in his face and backstabbed him on his documenatry 'Living with Michael Jackson'. The cunning and extremely manipulative way Bashir did this becomes very clear if you watch 'The Michael Jackson Interview: The Footage You Were Never Meant to See'.

2. Bashir knowlingly misrepresents the context and paints a stark picture of Michael. As a result of this documentary Michael becomes fair game for people who want to sue him for his money and molesting a minor. The lawsuit that followed, by the parents of Gavin Arvizo, pretty much broke Michael Jackson, financially and mentally. This was very unjust: Michael Jackson wanted to be a child himself and make children happy but nothing else. Just look at the documentary 'The Michael Jackson Interview: The Footage You Were Never Meant to See'. Michael is very naive and somewhat unworldly but is very innocent. In any case, Bashir knows what he is doing and he catapults his career at the expense of Michael Jackson's career due to manipulation.

3. Being damaged financially badly as a result of the lawsuit (pay for the costs of the lawsuit and having to halt earning money), Michael Jackson is forced to do lot of concerts in order to pay for his bills. Michael was also damaged mentally badly as well for several reasons. The stress really got to Michael, not only because of the personal betrayal by Bashir who Michael freely an openly invited in his house for a long period of time but also because of the huge public negativity that resulted of this documentary, and even more importantly: the huge impact this child molestation trial had on Michael. (Which is even more bitter if you take into account that this is the absolute contrary to everything Michael believes in [some examples of this are his estimated $500 million donations to charity and his efforts to help or relieve terminally ill children], it really is very tragic story). In short: Bashir's not-so-objective documentary can be seen as the final stake in the heart of Michael's career.

4. Finally, Michael has to pay off his debts and generate money and plans to do so by giving 50 concerts. But being mentally broken, he can't take it anymore. He is under enormous stress to perform very well and meet expectations despite not having performed for many years. Due to this stress and also pain he takes a lot of different medications for a long period of time. And on June 25, 2009 he finally just gave up.

So, that's why Martin Bashir can be called 'indirectly' responsible for Michael Jackson's death.

(check it out for yourself if you like) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.238.152.16 (talk) 00:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I removed this part from the article about martin bashir indirectly causing michael jackson's death. I'm no real fan of bashir, but give me a break. This is a pretty silly tenuous connection. Why not blame michael jackson's death on abuse from his father or siblings? If he had never had the abuse as a kid maybe he would never have had the problems in adulthood. You don't assign the blame of death to people who indirectly were responsible. Otherwise you could blame lots of people, like the DA who charged michael with those crimes or whoever. We don't normally go around assigning indirect blame for everyone who ever did something bad to a person in their life. Otherwise you probably have to assign blame to 100's of people for every person's death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.224.177 (talk) 23:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice point, however I undid your removal for two reasons:

1. The connection is definitely there. But more importantly: the manner in which this connection is stated, has been in a very very cautious manner.

It is not being stated that 'Bashir is indirectly responsible' for MJ's death, but rather that 'It has been argued that, in an indirect manner, the documentary by Bashir can be seen as a starting point for a chain of events that eventually turned out to be related to the death of Michael Jackson'. I mean, how can you state anything more nuanced and cautious than that?

2. I don't consider Dieter Weisner, former manager of Michael Jackson to be an unreliable source.

I could add more sources if you like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.238.152.16 (talk) 03:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry but people are just going to keep removing it. I don't care if you say "people argue". It still isn't really relevant. Someone else deleted it again (not me). Just because he started some chain of events is meaningless. None of the sources you give are very substantial either. The showbiz article doesn't really say that much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.224.177 (talk) 05:54, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

O.k.:

I have now inserted a direct statement of Dieter Wiesner, Michael Jackson's manager from 1996 to 2003, about Michael Jackson's death. This is no silly tenuous connection, but a direct quotation from a man who did have the necessary insight.

Furthermore, this reference should be valid enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.238.152.16 (talk) 22:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The quote is good, but please avoid original research. Also, please sign your posts. --JHP (talk) 01:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

marriage

who is he married to?

Don't know. But I pity the lady he is married to. --Mellisa Anthony Jones (talk) 09:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't pity her. I think she good a good one there myself! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.239.158 (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)