Talk:Marjorie Schick/GA1
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Reviewer: Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk · contribs) 22:24, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
Fascinating subject! I appreciate all the hard work that you put into this page.
- Is it well written?
- A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
- B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
The quote box doesn't comply to the MOS on quotations, which states that long quotes should be a blockquote.
- A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
- Is it verifiable with no original research?
- A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
- B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
Genealogy.com is not a reliable source, unfortunately (per this reliable source noticeboard post). I know it's hard to find birthdays for recent people. You may have to stick to just the year.I spot-checked other sources and found no problems.
- C. It contains no original research:
- D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
- Checked with copyvio detector and spot-checked a few subscription-only articles. No problems
- A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
- Is it broad in its coverage?
- A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
- B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
- A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
- Is it neutral?
- It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
- It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
- Is it stable?
- It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
- It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
- Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
- A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
- Overall:
- Pass or Fail:
- On hold for those two things I mentioned in the review.
- Pass or Fail:
- Thank you for reviewing the article Rachel Helps (BYU). Yes, she was totally fascinating to learn about and I so wish I had photographs of some of her works, but alas could find none that had copyright released. I have no idea how to do a blockquote. The quote box I used was copied directly from another GA I did Doris Sands Johnson which passed review. If I try to follow the MOS instructions and take out the quotebox format surrounding the quote with <blockquote>...</blockquote>, the quote can either begin or end the section, but interrupts the narrative text and flow of the article. I am wondering if it can be allowed, since the MOS does not specifically say it is forbidden over a certain length and says blockquotes are required if it is more than one paragraph, which her quote is not? I thought that her own words gave "a sense of her" that describing her doesn't give, but I would rather remove it all together than interrupt the narrative. The quote box format allows it to be displayed as a photograph would, off to the side and without interrupting the text. As for the date of birth, I have suppressed it until a more reliable source can be found. When I started the article, I was unaware that she had died as I became fascinated with her work while working on another article. It may well be that when the next quarterly SS Death Index comes out, her information will be there or that when her memorial is held in June, the date will be published. SusunW (talk) 00:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- I do like the quote and I think it works really well on her page. One of Wikipedia's pillars is that there are no firm rules, so let's keep the quote the way it is. If someone strongly objects to it we can discuss it then. I think the page now passes GA! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- By the way, you can include a photo of her work if it is specifically discussed in the page. You can't upload it to the commons but you can upload it through Wikipedia as a fair use image. I can help you with that if it's something you're interested in. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:52, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- Rachel Helps (BYU) Thank you so much! I'd love to have some of her works on the page, but I honestly have no idea how to do that except for deceased persons as fair use or things printed before 1923. Copyright issues always keep me from acting, when I want photos because I am never sure. Either or both of her Yellow Ladderback Chair or the Tool Belt and Scarf for Sonia Delaunay would give a sense of the scope and size of her works. I have no idea how to load them, though I did think possibly as sculptural works, but then questioned whether I could do that as fair use. I have no idea when any of the photographs were originally published and given the timeframe in which she was fluent, feel that they probably are still copyrighted. Any help you could give would be fabulous. SusunW (talk) 20:31, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- SusunW, I completely understand about copyright things being tricky! Wikipedia's fair use guidelines specifically allow for works of visual art with critical commentary. For fair use, we don't have to know the image's original copyright details. You do have to use Special:Upload through Wikipedia instead of Wikimedia Commons, and you must provide a fair use rationale. I added an image of the Yellow Ladderback Chair, but since I included the entire work, I'm not sure if the image will qualify for fair use--it just depends on the judgement of whoever ends up looking at it. Usually someone else will delete an image that is copyrighted and doesn't have a fair use rationale. I'm still learning too, so I'll wait to see if the image I uploaded sticks around before trying another one :-). Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:15, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- Rachel Helps (BYU) Thank you so much! I'd love to have some of her works on the page, but I honestly have no idea how to do that except for deceased persons as fair use or things printed before 1923. Copyright issues always keep me from acting, when I want photos because I am never sure. Either or both of her Yellow Ladderback Chair or the Tool Belt and Scarf for Sonia Delaunay would give a sense of the scope and size of her works. I have no idea how to load them, though I did think possibly as sculptural works, but then questioned whether I could do that as fair use. I have no idea when any of the photographs were originally published and given the timeframe in which she was fluent, feel that they probably are still copyrighted. Any help you could give would be fabulous. SusunW (talk) 20:31, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- By the way, you can include a photo of her work if it is specifically discussed in the page. You can't upload it to the commons but you can upload it through Wikipedia as a fair use image. I can help you with that if it's something you're interested in. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:52, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- I do like the quote and I think it works really well on her page. One of Wikipedia's pillars is that there are no firm rules, so let's keep the quote the way it is. If someone strongly objects to it we can discuss it then. I think the page now passes GA! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for reviewing the article Rachel Helps (BYU). Yes, she was totally fascinating to learn about and I so wish I had photographs of some of her works, but alas could find none that had copyright released. I have no idea how to do a blockquote. The quote box I used was copied directly from another GA I did Doris Sands Johnson which passed review. If I try to follow the MOS instructions and take out the quotebox format surrounding the quote with <blockquote>...</blockquote>, the quote can either begin or end the section, but interrupts the narrative text and flow of the article. I am wondering if it can be allowed, since the MOS does not specifically say it is forbidden over a certain length and says blockquotes are required if it is more than one paragraph, which her quote is not? I thought that her own words gave "a sense of her" that describing her doesn't give, but I would rather remove it all together than interrupt the narrative. The quote box format allows it to be displayed as a photograph would, off to the side and without interrupting the text. As for the date of birth, I have suppressed it until a more reliable source can be found. When I started the article, I was unaware that she had died as I became fascinated with her work while working on another article. It may well be that when the next quarterly SS Death Index comes out, her information will be there or that when her memorial is held in June, the date will be published. SusunW (talk) 00:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)