Talk:Marissa Cooper

Tense

Can't have dates and the past tense used to describe portrayal of Marissa - too much of a spoiler to those outside North America who won't have seen the end of Season 3 yet. Gunray

Already says it in the article at the very bottom. Already says it in Barton's profile in detail. Already makes multiple references in the OC article and subarticles. It's more confusing to viewers who haven't seen the show yet to see this article out of tense with the rest of the articles. I vote to change to past tense, if it needs to be altered back then it at least must be altered back in all articles to maintain clarity and flow. The article should be changed at the very latest by the end of the week. Mattbwn 23:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not a problem saying it at the end, after the spoiler warning, but it is very unfair to have it prior to such an alert. As for the other articles, I suspsect most will have the information a long way after the spoiler warnings (as it was right at the end of season 3, and people would have to sift through three seasons worth of spoilers to get there.) Gunray

I'm so sad that she died :'( ! --DragonWR12LB 07:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC

When should we finally change this to the past tense? The episode aired in early May. Its June now. And we know she's dead...it says so at the end of the final episode recap on the official homepage Mattbwn 22:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

As soon as the episode airs in the U.K, as season 3 is just drawing to a close there. It's only about 3 weeks away.

I say wait till there's a complaint from someone in the UK. I think we should add on the bottom of this section a save marissa section and about the massive online community effort to save her. Its not hard, a doctor with a defribilator can just happen to drive by and save her life.

Once we do update the page do you think we should give her a born/died tag? For instance "born 1988 (presumably), died 2006". I've noticed other tv characters on here have them, especially the 'Buffy' and 'Angel' ones... Poor Marissa, I'll miss her. :( Ross Nolan 10:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's been aired now, in the English-speaking world, so I think we can finally change it to the past tense. Gunray

alias

is 'coope' really an alias or just a nickname? Ohcl

No i guess not, more a nickname. (Changed alias to nickname) :-) Matthew Fenton (contribs) 07:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Did Mischa Barton jump or was she pushed?

I was just wondering if the character of Marissa was killed off because Mischa Barton wanted to leave the series, or because she was written out. Has there been anything to suggest one or the other? 195.137.79.247 23:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Last Appearance consensus

i OPPOSE using the last episode. the OC is not a supernatural show. her 'ghost' was not even explicitly her. a flashback does not qualify for the last appearance of a character. by that logic, credits would count, re-runs, and advertisements would have to count. seeing as the OC is somewhat based on a real world, the characters last appearance would have to be either her death or funeral. flashback: when is the last time you saw your next-door neighbor? if you flashback to a time when you last saw your neighbor, does that count as the last appearance of your neighbor? flashbacks are defined as in the past, therefore could not possibly be a last appearance. The undertow 22:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Precisely. The person making these edits isn't even a member. I agree about the ghost not necessarily being Marissa. And technically, Luke, Jimmy, Johnny, and Trey have all appeared in flashback sequences, however it doesn't necessarily mean it was their last canonical appearance. Sillygostly 01:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)\

And it's getting ridiculous anyway. I've reverted the Marissa article at least 8 times now. :P Sillygostly 01:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it vandalism if anons keep inserting this? If so I'd say there's a pretty strong case for getting semi-protection on this article, since it's constantly being added by IPs who aren't contributing to discussions on the talk page. I know it says SP is not for content disputes, but there doesn't seem to be much input from the IPs other than re-insertion of material. I'll put a hidden HTML note in the infobox, not that I believe it will do much good. QmunkE 16:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. The article should be protected as there are no longer any other noteworthy contributions being made to this article. Sillygostly 01:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Marissa's ghost

The last canonical appearance of marissa is infact in the Avengers as on the official site it says that the ghost shown, is hers. Furthermore, i have included the last episode as a last appearance as this has been done for other tv characters, see example, Conrad Gates. *Bree113

That was not Marissa's ghost, that was just a figment of Summer's imagination, as she mentally visualised Marissa in the room across her's. If Marissa appeared in say, the flashback sequences in the episode The Case of the Franks, then the last appearance could have been amended. A number of TV shows still keep photographs in the background of deceased or absent characters in order to create realism, although it does not count as a last appearance canonically. Sillygostly 01:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection

I have semi-protected the article to stop people from removing the display image constantly. Bree113 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 12:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

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Relationships

I'm not completely sure exactly when she gets back together, breaks up with Ryan circa later s1, and then late 2, and then when they break up in s3. Plus, I don't know the time of her relationship with Volchok, so I figured someone else would know and could finish it, thanks.EverythingFan

Bullet point Relationships sections are discouraged by Wikipedia; really not wanted (per Wikipedia's polices). The character infobox is where romances should be listed. Flyer22 (talk) 06:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

[hi marissa my name marissa too marissa hanim you are marissa cooper iam 7/8 you are31] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.120.137.34 (talk) 01:11, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

lgbt category

I have removed the lgbt category. blps are not put in lgbt categories unless the figure has been shown in sources to identify as such so similar should apply in fiction and only be categorised as such if canon /reliable sources identify it as such.RafikiSykes (talk) 20:10, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind that you removed the category, since she's not a heavy LGBT figure and I doubt that there are any reliable sources out there calling her most assuredly bisexual. But we shouldn't be applying the standards of WP:BLP to fictional character articles.

Note to others, RafikiSykes and I discussed placing Marissa in the bisexual or LGBT category at RafikiSykes's talk page. 23.20.59.196 (talk) 15:31, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I added the LGBT category back because this is what is more likely to happen when it and the note are not there. 31.193.133.208 (talk) 22:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Online Communities course

Hey all, we are 3 students from Cornell University, editing this article for our Online Communities course. We look forward to strengthen this C-Class article. Below are the changes we intend to make:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Program_talk:Cornell_University/Online_Communities_(Fall_2013)

• Firstly we would like to improve the overall grammar of the article. Particularly correcting the tenses.
• Organize the section Character development. This will distinctively highlight Marissa's development season to season. Then we would like to create subcategories

under the category character development. Examples of additional subcategories include fatal flaw, relationships and culture and societal influences.

• Add important plot to every season but particularly seasons one and two
• Reword the term "ghostly" in the description of Marissa's appearance in the fourth season.
• Add more detailed plot to the subcategory "Characters exist"
• Add a Category that discusses the controversy over Marissa's exit from the show
• Reorganize information and maintain a consistent format throughout the article.

Division of Labor

• Jill Lieberman, Bullets 1-3
• Cristelle Rabban, Bullets 4-6
• Sammie Krouner, Bullets 7-8

Hello. I moved this post down, per Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Layout. And added the word course on to the heading to make it clearer as to what this section is about. I've never known a class to focus on editing a fictional character article as an assignment, but there is a first for everything. I'm not sure what you mean by "correcting the tenses," but, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#Contextual presentation, the Character arc section should be written in present tense. And as for adding plot, there should not be too much of it, per WP:PLOT. What you mean by the "Characters exist" is "Character's exit" and it's a part of the Character development section, which means it's supposed to focus on the development of that storyline, not the plot of that storyline. The plot is taken care of by the Character arc section. Also see/read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television (the section about character article structure) for how to properly structure this article. I will help you all with the structure, especially when I see aspects of it that are not typical of how decent, good or great Wikipedia character articles are formatted.

Here are some other things to keep in mind: Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Capital letters, you need to make sure that the headings are not inappropriately capitalized. So, for example, Character Development should be Character development. Like WP:MOSHEAD states, Wikipedia uses sentence case, not title case (unless the word or phrase is officially capitalized). WP:MOSHEAD additionally makes clear that "Headings should not refer redundantly to the subject of the article, or to higher-level headings, unless doing so is shorter or clearer. (Early life is preferable to His early life when his refers to the subject of the article; headings can be assumed to be about the subject unless otherwise indicated.)" Also use WP:REFPUNCT (punctuation before, not after, references) and avoid WP:WHITE SPACES (one or more extra white gaps between a section). Flyer22 (talk) 23:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Feedback from Prof. Leshed:

I would like to thank Flyer22 for your excellent feedback and resources you are providing to my students - this is what this assignment is all about - not so much about whether the students choose a fictional character to edit, but about the degree to which they learn from other Wikipedia editors. Your feedback here is invaluable for them to learn the peculiarities and technicalities of editing Wikipedia pages.

Here are some points for the students to pay attention to:

• Pay close attention to the feedback from Flyer22 and others. If the policy pages are difficult to understand, ask questions about them, such as in the Teahouse.
• It is unclear where you are planning to get reliable sources from. Make sure you point those out in the proposal.
• Small points - sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes ~~~~. When linking to a user page, use [[user:JLieberman31|Jill Lieberman]] instead of [[JLieberman31|Jill Lieberman]], to take the reader to the user page instead of to the (non existing) Wikipedia page about Jill Lieberman. When putting new content in the talk page, use "New section" to add the content at the bottom of the talk page instead of editing the entire talk page and putting the content at the top (only the course assignment template should be at the top).
• The points above exhibit that you need at least one person in the group to learn the Wiki markup language and Wikipedia's guidelines. Make sure that at least one of you spends time on learning this so you can "wikify" the content that others are adding. The proposal should list this person.

Happy editing! LeshedInstructor (talk) 02:44, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome, LeshedInstructor. And thank you for helping to guide your students. Flyer22 (talk) 02:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Feedback from Joey:

Nice proposal! I think that Prof. Leshed and Flyer22 have already mentioned most of what you should keep in mind with future edits. As for potential sources/references, it might be helpful to use critical reviews of the series. Because these reviews are inherently subjective, you would need to present a representative sample of opinions made about Marissa throughout the series. Additionally, this article is about the character rather than the show/actor, so referenced reviews would be limited to comments on Marissa's character quality/development. Other sources might also include plot synopses offered by reputable sites like IMDB. Information taken from FOX's website could be considered biased and should be used as external links rather than content references. Also, this article might help if you were planning on adding and images or videos to the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Uploading_images. Feel free to contact my talk page if you have any specific questions! Joey236 (talk) 20:09, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

"Thank you to Flyer22 and Joey.

We would like to thank Flyer22 and Joey for giving us feedback and ideas about how to help edit this article and abide Wikipedia's rules and norms. A specific issue we'd like to address is where our sources will come from. Incorporating the least amount of bias is important to us, so IMDB and the likes are our main sources. Do you have any suggestions as to where we can best learn Wikipedia-etiquette outside of Teahouse? JLieberman31 (talk) 01:06, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

"Question for Flyer22"

Your feedback was very helpful. Especially this link Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Television. After reading through the Wikipedia expected style for television articles we have drastically changed our proposal ideas. We thought it would be appropriate to add to subcategories for Marissa Cooper such as a Concept and Creation section that would incorporate what ideas went into creating the character Marissa Cooper and how they casted the actor for the role. Another section we thought would be appropriate to create is a Reception section where we could talk about how Marissa Cooper was deemed important to the show. Please let us know your thoughts on this idea. Thank you again!Crr64 (talk) 16:59, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

"Regarding Wiki Markup Language"

Thank you to Flyer22,Joey Prof. Leshed

We have started to learn the wiki markup language so that we can effectively "wikify" the content that others are adding.Slk249 (talk) 18:44, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

@JLieberman31: You can use the Online training for students to get an introduction to some basic editing. I also wanted to add that though the policies suggested above are all important, the most important thing to note is that if you think you can improve an article with your edit, you should make it. If the capitalization or minor formatting isn't perfect, then hopefully another editor will see and quickly fix it. That's what a community of editors is al about—people have different strengths and interests ways to edit. So don't get too bogged down with that stuff while you're still learning. Good luck! JMathewson (WMF) (talk) 19:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I thank Joey236 and JMathewson (WMF) for helping out on guidance as well. However, with regard to Joey236's advice about IMDb, I have to point out that IMDb generally is not considered a WP:Reliable source on Wikipedia; see WP:Reliable sources about the reliability of sources and Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites#IMDb for why that is the case.

Yes, Crr64, per the aforementioned character article guideline, that is acceptable. It would be best to move the Concept and character creation section ahead of the Character development section, however. Also, be more careful about capitalization of the headings. It should be Concept and creation, not Concept and Creation. And consider adding the author, date and accessdate to references, like I did for this reference you added.

Speaking of reference formatting, which JLieberman31 visited my talk page about, see WP:Citing sources and WP:Citation templates. We use in-text references. Those reference pages will show you why this attempt was wrong. Crr64 has an okay grasp on reference formatting. Like I mentioned on my talk page, this reference that Crr64 added was mostly correctly formatted; it simply had stray parts of reference templates included. And Slk249, it seems, will soon be able to help with the reference formatting. Flyer22 (talk) 19:21, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Flyer22 and JMathewson (WMF) for your recommendations thus far you have been providing invaluable information. We would like to ask you in what ways could we further improve this article? Do you have any ideas on how we could improve the status of this article from a c-class to a b-class article?Crr64 (talk) 17:41, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

In response to Crr64's question - I had an idea to look and compare this C class article to other B class articles, to grasp how to improve it. After looking at B Class Articles of many main-stream TV Characters today, we found that Marissa's page could be drastically reformatted for improvement. One idea is to change the category of Character development to Characterization. Under Characterization, we would insert subcategories pertaining to personality, interests, sexuality, and character's exit. Furthermore, adding an entire section on main relationships Marissa has throughout the show would also improve this Wikipedia page to a C Class Article. JLieberman31 (talk) 17:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

No, Crr64, I don't have any more suggestions at this time. JLieberman31's latest suggestions are good; just make sure that you reliably source that content, of course. Flyer22 (talk) 18:30, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I have to point out that the capitalization problem for the Concept and creation section is still not fixed, that Wiki.com does not pass as a WP:Reliable source, the Relationships section is pretty much plot and the references used in that section (besides being Wiki.com sources and therefore non-WP:Reliable) are not formatted properly. These are issues that need to be fixed. And remember to reliably source the new sections that need sourcing (such as the Reception section). If, after the class is finished editing this article, some or most of the edits made during that editing time frame are detrimental to this article, I will remove the changes that are not improvements. Flyer22 (talk) 17:57, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Course assignment

Hi Cornell folks working on this article. Please remember to be logged in to Wikipedia when making edits, so that the teaching staff evaluating your work can attribute the contributions to you. The assignment is due on Thursday. LeshedInstructor (talk) 14:01, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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