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You can't actually treat the section as a historical biography. It has to be listed as Legend or heavily annotated with unbiased modern scholarship. — LlywelynII10:54, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think that there's a very strong case to be made here for calling Marinos by his chosen name (including in the article's title) and using the pronouns that he used for himself his entire adult life. We would do this for a transgender person living in our time and to my mind it's only respectful to do it for a historical figure as well. 50.92.176.152 (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This does not seem to have stayed as a change; nor does there seem to be any note on the article about Marinos' pronouns and the usage in the article. Some consensus would be nice, though I don't have the energy to go wading into WP:GENDER myself. —Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 21:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would do well to refer to Marinos by his chosen name and pronouns, though not describing the monk as transgender himself, since the concept of being transgender did not exist on this time. Even then, the concept of being a man and living as a man did, and it is clear that Marinos lived as a man, willingly, until his death.
[1] is used to cite "Marina has been called a patron saint of transgender people, and transgender parenting by LGBT Christians, and her popularity is rising along with the visibility of transgender rights, despite the fact that there is no evidence that Marina ever considered herself to be transgender despite her cross dressing." Is it credible enough to cite BP, because it looks biased/ blog-ish. Regards, ExclusiveEditorNotify Me!19:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm unclear on how the patron saint thing works. I didn't think it was an official status, thinking it more like "considered the godfather of grunge music". There's no official establishment, it's just a sizeable or identifiable group regarding them as such. I realize that for Catholic saints (is this the only denomination that does that?) there is such a process for evaluating and deeming persons as officially saints. But patron saint? If the question is does a group look upon Marina as a patron saint, then it seems a valid source. If the question is is Marina officially a patron saint, then it is likely not reliable. signed, Willondon (talk) 19:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
