Talk:Marie Cabel

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Full name

Wasn't her full name Marie-Jeanne-Josèphe Cabel? If so, the article should say so and a redirect should be created. And how did her name change from Dreulette to Cabel? Obviously not by marriage as her brother's name was also Cabel. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:12, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

None of the sources which I consulted give "Jeanne" as a name. I have not researched this issue. If we add it, I would suggest putting it in a footnote with a citation to Amadeus Online, which is where I assume it is listed. (I have not checked there.) I have not created any redirects, as I overlooked this in a desire get some sleep. Feel free. She took her husband's last name for her stage name, since she was married when she made her debut and is often referred to as Mme Cabel. Kutsch & Riemens title their article "Cabel, Marie". Further down they mention that she was born Marie-Josèphe Dreulette. I adopted their procedure for the article. Fétis lists her name as "Cabel (Marie-Josèphe DREULETTE, épouse CABU, dite)".

Her younger brother apparently adopted her married name for his stage name. (He may have also have taken it as his legal name, we do not know. When Marie married he was still fairly young.) He is referred to as Edmond Cabel in the running text by Walsh, and in his index as "Cabel, Edmond Antoine Auguste, singer, ne Dreulette". Kutsch & Riemens call him "Edouard Dreulette" (Edouard is likely an error) in their article on "Cabel, Marie". K & R have a cross-reference entry "Dreulette, Edmond, s. unter Cabel, Marie." These are the only two sources I have consulted that mention her brother. Since Walsh studied the source material for the Théâtre Lyrique rather extensively for his excellent book, it is probably a good assumption that he knows what he is talking about. --Robert.Allen (talk) 21:42, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I searched Google Books for Marie Jeanne Josephe Cabel (without quotes) and so far I have not turned up any sources which give this version of the name. A Google search is more difficult since this name has been replicated all over the web from the Wikipedia. --Robert.Allen (talk) 22:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank yo very much for your trouble. Fascinating stuff – a brother adopting her sister's married name. As for "Jeanne": I only asked because almost every mention of her on Wikipedia shows her name that way; I just assumed there's got to be something to it. But as you suspect, they are probably all copied from AmadeusOnline. Thanks again, Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Amadeus may well be right, as it often is, but I would feel more comfortable adding "Jeanne" if we could find some corroboration for it. I've added it as a footnote for now. In any case, the engravings from Gallica all show her name as simply Marie Cabel including the ones for La promise and for Mignon, so I thought the simple name would be fine for the role tables, especially now that we have an article for the singer. --Robert.Allen (talk) 06:25, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just picked up on something I totally missed before. Fétis spells it "Dreullette" (with two l's). Neither Walsh or K & R have the two l's. What a nuisance! --Robert.Allen (talk) 06:35, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Robert: I was about to fix Casaglia (formerly Amadeus) using {{Almanacco}} instead of the abandoned URL amadeusonline.net when I noticed that Casaglia no longer gives those forenames,^[1] so I removed that part of the footnote. Given the now minor differences in her birth name, maybe the footnote could be omitted altogether. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:35, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Casaglia, Gherardo (2005). "Mignon, 17 November 1866". L'Almanacco di Gherardo Casaglia (in Italian).

Thanks for updating all these links to the Amadeus database and for noticing this. I think your edit was fine, and the footnote is OK to leave as is, since it gives the sources for her full birth name. --Robert.Allen (talk) 19:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Casaglia, Gherardo (2005). "Mignon, 17 November 1866". L'Almanacco di Gherardo Casaglia (in Italian).

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