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Marie-lucie (talk) 03:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)Hello, This is Marie-Lucie Tarpent. I have recently discovered that the text on my page, created by a friend in 2011, has been drastically shortened and the page is in danger of disappearing because of lack of notability! The Talk page includes two names which I do not recognize, which state "minor edits", but the changes have obviously been major. Please help me correct the text to include the following information if appropriate:[reply]

- I am now retired from Mount Saint Vincent University where I taught from 1988 to 2007. - My studies: English at the Sorbonne (Paris) (Licence-ès-Lettres 1963), linguistics at Cornell U (MA 1965), University of Victoria (PhD 1989) - Scholarly references: additions needed:

-- ^[1]
-- co-authored paper:.^[2]  ((Note:  although this paper has not been published, it is mentioned favourably in:;^[3] it is also mentioned on the Wiki pages on "Takelma language" and "Penutian languages" and used to be mentioned on "Kalapuya languages" or "Kalapuyan", I forget which))
-- I have also presented numerous papers on Nisgha (= Nisqa'a), Coast and Southern Tsimshian, Tsimshianic languages, Proto-Tsimshianic reconstruction, and some aspects of other Penutian languages, especially Alsea and Takelma.  Some of them are in accessible archives of conference proceedings, and I can add references if necessary (Most of the ones before 1999 are mentioned in the Mithun volume above).
--- I also have an article on current historical trends: </ref>1999:  On the eve of a new paradigm:  the current challenges to historical linguistics in a Kuhnian perspective.  in Historical Linguistics 1999.  John Benjamins.</ref>

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Thank you for your help!Marie-lucie (talk) 03:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

^ A grammar of the Nisgha language, PhD dissertation, U of Victoria 1989
^ Tarpent, Marie-Lucie + Daythal Kendall, 1998, "On the relationship between Takelma and Kalapuya: Another look at Takelman"; paper presented as SSILA Winter meeting
^ Mithun, Marianne, 1999: The languages of Native North America. Cambridge U Press

Marie-Lucie Tarpent - page needs editing and additional info

Hello, this is Marie-Lucie Tarpent. A few days ago I discovered that the info on my page (written by a friend in 2011) had been drastically reduced and might be deleted. I wrote comments under "talk" but then found out that I should have written them here. I was unable to "copy" the new info I had written and transfer them from there to here.

Basically, I want the info to include the fact I am now retired, and also some extra references to my education and work. I can be reached through my email address saved with you.

thank you99.192.82.75 (talk) 16:36, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I had a pause in editing on the recent AfD and did not check the status before saving...unbeknownst to be me, it had ended and my edit was duly reverted. Apologies. For the record, I copied that edit below, along with part of the comment from Joe Roe, to which I was responding, for context. I have a few final observations on the AfD result following that.

(Joe Roe): ...can the delete !voters point to anything that is actually wrong with the article, other than the fact it doesn't meet the letter of WP:PROF? Which, let's remember, is a guideline.

(Agricola44): It is not the article that is the subject of debate. It is the individual's inclusion in WP. These are different. We are now bordering on polemics with SusunW's POVy comment about PROF and irrelevant factors like being dept chair. However, by all metrics and by your own admission, Tarpent has had a thoroughly mediocre academic career. So, the question is this: why the gigantic push to include her? Is this a case that is part of a growing trend of "lowering the bar" for certain groups out of some sense of "fairness" of representation? If so, then you are cheapening WP as an objective encyclopedic source and we will have to start adding tens or hundreds of thousands of bios of all similarly mediocre members of the professoriat.

Tarpent has had a decidely mediocre academic career as the proverbial "average professor". The extensive scrutiny of her record, publications, etc during AfD conclusively demonstrated that. The "keeps" resulted in no consensus, but were based on everything from assertion, to pleading (false claim of "narrow subject"), to "I believe...", to blatant admission of non-notability (Yes, there's no way this can be stretched to a pass of WP:PROF). It is remarkable that these were weighted equally. While one article is unimportant in the grand WP scheme, this case seems to be part of a larger, concerning trend of "lowering the bar" for certain groups felt to be unfairly under-represented in WP. In the sense that "politics is POV", this will increasingly impact WP's reputation for objectivity. Agricola44 (talk) 23:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

i think it is great you are filibustering after the AfD is closed. why don't you just renominate it next year, just to show how much you care. Queen-washington (talk) 23:03, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's great that you use a word like "filibuster" without knowing its meaning. I added my comment (by mistake, as I said above) after the debate was closed. A filibuster is a maneuver undertaken during debate in order to delay or derail progress. So, I guess I care more about your education than the AfD for this article. Agricola44 (talk) 19:34, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] A grammar of the Nisgha language, PhD dissertation, U of Victoria 1989

[2] Tarpent, Marie-Lucie + Daythal Kendall, 1998, "On the relationship between Takelma and Kalapuya: Another look at Takelman"; paper presented as SSILA Winter meeting

[3] Mithun, Marianne, 1999: The languages of Native North America. Cambridge U Press

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