Talk:Margherita Sarfatti

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Sarandon

Do we really need to have half the article's text devoted to what Susan Sarandon said about her while promoting a movie in which she's a supporting character? It's not like there's anything particularly insightful in the quote, or hard information about her that couldn't be found in a more fleshed-out biographical article. Binabik80 12:38, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not only that, but it's wrong; for example, what war was Sarfatti trying to get the US to finance? A celeb pretending to be an historian. --Al-Nofi 18:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The entry has a surfeit of Sarandon and a deficit of info about Sarfatti’s important influence over Mussolini. Nicmart (talk) 04:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Savonia Mane article

Added The Jewish mother of Fascism By Saviona Mane. As the Haaretz newspaper name implies, her role was much more culpubable in Mussolini's rise. She was as racist as he was, but directed against Africans and blacks as were most Italians of that time. But when the Absynnian campaign and League of Nations condemnation forced Il Duce into Hitler's bed, he had to adopt the race laws and that forced her out of Il Duce's bed. The WP article definitely sugarcoats her role and needs much work. Take Care! --Will^(talk) 12:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Overall Problem

There is a general problem in discussing Italian fascism because there is a right-wing libertarian period before 1933 and one more influenced by German Nazism after that. Historians tend to emphasize the later period in Italy. Explaining to people that Mussolini rose as dictator using lots of anarcho-libertarian and futurist rhetoric is a task few have been willing to address head on. Such a lack of historical consensus must prevent WP from ever adequately addressing this issue. 99.162.153.181 (talk) 13:16, 20 February 2016 (UTC: This anonymous user knows little about Mussolini who was never a libertarian, but an antisemite and brutal dictator from the start. Mussolini was not influenced by Hitler, but Hitler was Mussolini's disciple. Read Hans Woller's biography. Ontologix (talk) 10:57, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It’s sure bizarre to deem Mussolini, an ardent and effective statist, an anarcho-libertarian. At no moment in power did he make any attempt to dismantle the state. The notion is so preposterous that I think it sarcastic. Nicmart (talk) 04:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Faulty article

This article deserves a critical review. There are several errors. Sarfatti's son was not killed in action but by an accident behind the lines when an Italian grenade launcher exploded. Mussolini was an antisemite from the start and long before Hitler called for the extermination of Jews. Mussolini seized power in Italy a decade before Hitler took over Germany, and Hitler copied everything from Mussolini, from the salute to the black uniforms for his SS. Mussolini also used poison gas long before Hitler. Wikipedia deserves better articles than this. Ontologix (talk) 11:06, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar problems throughout

This article needs a re-write if only for the grammar and confusing sentence structures. 2601:245:4103:BFB0:C0E3:8CA4:B0CC:714C (talk) 14:33, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In particular, there are problems with the following paragraph which I have indicated in boldface:

By 1930 Sarfatti converted catholic, and noted that Mussolini is cheating on her with younger women, and expels from whatever influence. By 1938, with the application of racial laws, she left Italy, first to Switzerland, and then alone for Argentina and Uruguay. She took with her the 1272 letters from Mussolini. ^[1] she worked as a journalist for the newspaper El Diario of Montevideo.^[2] After the war, in 1947, Sarfatti returned to her home country and once again became an influential force in Italian art. Her children who remained in Italy survived the war, but her sister with his wife were extradited to the fascist forces and perished on way to Auschwitz.

I'm not complaining about any other grammatical errors in the above passage which don't interfere with the meaning, but (a) is this trying to say that Sarfatti herself was expelled from influence over Mussolini in 1930, when elsewhere in the article it says she had influence until 1938? And (b) "her sister with his wife" does not make sense because there is no "him" referenced nearby. The only man named in this paragraph is Mussolini himself, whose wife did not perish on the way to Auschwitz but lived until 1979. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Italian Jews in Uruguay". Brecha. 11 March 2014. (in Spanish)
^ Gilbert, Isidoro (10 February 2007). "La amante judía de Mussolini que vivió en Montevideo" [Mussolini's Jewish mistress who lived in Montevideo] (in Spanish). LR21.

[1] "Italian Jews in Uruguay". Brecha. 11 March 2014. (in Spanish)

[2] Gilbert, Isidoro (10 February 2007). "La amante judía de Mussolini que vivió en Montevideo" [Mussolini's Jewish mistress who lived in Montevideo] (in Spanish). LR21.

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