Talk:Manhattan Chess Club

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copyedit needed - too many short paragraphs. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 21:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Club championships

There are two lists of Manhattan CC championships on the Web, both of which we are citing in this article: one by Wall, one published by Ginsburg. Ginsburg credits his list to Nick Conticello, former manager of the club, who published the list in the club newsletter in the 1990's; Conticello states that the research was done by Shipman. Wall says, "Thanks to Frank Brady and Aben Rudy for providing me some of this information", but I am not sure what sources he got his list of championships from. When he says, "Another source says X" in that list, I think he is referring to Ginsburg/Conticello/Shipman's list.

The championship has usually been covered in reliable sources. Now that the USCF Digital Archive is online (back issues of Chess Review and Chess Life), I have looked up some of the championships of the 1930's and 1940's, and I have resolved some discrepancies between Wall and Ginsburg, as well as finding some championships on which they are both incorrect.

Chess Review only goes back to 1933. To go farther back, one would have to look at the American Chess Bulletin, which goes back to 1904, or some other place, since the championship goes back to the 1880's. In this article we claim that Géza Maróczy won the 1927 championship, and Ginsburg agrees with this, but Wall does not. It would be good to get a source for that tournament.

Di Felice's books are another possible source. The chessgames.com entry for Alexander Kevitz cites those books in enumerating the Manhattan CC championships that Kevitz won. But it too is contradicted by Chess Life and/or Chess Review. Google Books does not have most of Di Felice's books online, so without my own copies, I can't resolve those questions.

I think that ultimately, we should have our own list, with explicit citations of sources, rather than just quoting Ginsburg's list in full. Since the list was usually covered by reliable sources, we can consider it notable, which justifies having our own list. Bruce leverett (talk) 18:41, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]