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This article does not read in an encyclopedic tone, and fails to conform to a NPOV standard:

The Afghan fundamentalist groups and warlords call her "prostitute", "infidel", "communist", "call girl" etc. but for a gross majority of Afghan people she is a heroine who stood bravely in the face of terror and gun.

Today, as a result of her legendary actions, Malalai Joya has become popular hero in Afghanistan.

Etc. I'll try to clean it up as soon as possible. --Alexis 19:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is not true

She use to collobrate with the Taliban. She was never elected and she actually serves the world lords. All this is to feel people of the world about Afghanistan.

Come on

Where do you get your info from?¿ She was elected, and is one of Afghanistan's best people!

this article seems very biased to me... "reviled by afghan fundamentalists" "viewed as a freedom fighter" etc. etc.

Editing text and trying to draft NPOV

...is a bit of work here. Anybody else interested in helping? I'm trying to make this article as neutral as I can(it still reads a bit like a fan letter) and factually informative, but i can only do so much. Elefuntboy 04:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Background, language

What is Joya's ethnic affiliation? She says she is from Farah Province, which is mostly Pashtun. Does she speak Pashto? Dari? Is she Sunni or Shia? This information is important.

I found a blog post that says she is Aimak, but I can't find anything authoritative. --Saforrest 19:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

She does not speak any Pashto, only Persian. However, she is actually of Pashtun origin, of the Noorzai tribe. Which is why she has support from the Pashtun ethno-fascist organizations such as Afghan Mellat. She is a tool used by them to negatively portray the Northern groups inorder to reduce their power and make sure that Pashtuns, either through Taliban or former Communists take all power. This is not known by the Western media ofcoarse since they are just not aware of these details and the Afghan Mellatis have done a good job of promoting her. Ironcally, she is supposed to be a "champion of women's rights", yet she has not done anything for women rights other than use it to try her best to make the northern groups look bad while women are abused in every minute of their lives under Taliban control... she ofcoarse ignores this since the Taliban are Pashtuns. Well that's enough for now. I'll get into these details later. -- Behnam 06:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, she is Sunni, since you asked. -- Behnam 06:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

She doesn't speak Pasto? Are you sure? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanzhen (talk • contribs) 05:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I keep track of Afghanistani politics and I've never heard here speak Pashto and I don't know anyone that has ever heard her speak Pashto. She is from Farah Province where, although the largest group are her Pashtuns, the dominant language there is Persian (see: Languages of Afghanistan). -- Behnam 09:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"She is a tool used by them to negatively portray the Northern groups inorder to reduce their power and make sure that Pashtuns, either through Taliban or former Communists take all power." Where's the proof? In her interviews she is not championing the Taliban or ex-communists; she says that women suffer under the Northern Alliance just as much, if not more, as under the Taliban. No where does she says she wants to see the Taliban back in power but rather wants a democracy built from the ground up, by Afghans, for Afgans. In fact, she called the Taliban an "ultra-reactionary and brutal regime". As even mainstream groups like Human Rights Watch have pointed out, the Northern Alliance conists mostly of the old warlords and drug lords that were displaced by the Taliban when the latter took over and are now simply trying to regroup and re-establish what they had before (ie. a prosperous drug trade). For example this, this and this report. However, here in the West we are to believe that the Northern Alliance is some pro-democracy organization which will "modernize" Afghanistan, rooting out terrorist cells and bring about sweeping social change including democracy, human rights, women's rights, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.61.25 (talk) 13:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have recently read her 2009 book, "A Woman Among Warlords", where I believe she says her native language is Dari. She says she resists identifying with any tribal or sectarian groups, preferring to call herself simply "Afghani". She does strongly identify herself with feminists and women's rights in general, but says she is not actually a member of RAWA, though generally sympathetic to them. She does not identify herself religiously as Sunni or Shia, only as Muslim. Wwheaton (talk) 03:11, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Beh-nam

I don't know why Behnam (really Beh-nam) is saying he's never been blocked before, [1], see here. 23:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I meant indefinate block. The real question should be, how would user: Sodaba know that I was ever blocked? I highly suspect that this is another sockpuppet of user: NisarKand. However I cannot prove it at the moment. -- Behnam 02:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See your block log at: [2]. And secondly please write me what the hell this NisarKand means that you stamp everyone with. I have no connection with this user. سودابه 09:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sodaba (talk • contribs)

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When you guys settle your differences peaceably here on the talk page, let me know and I'll unprotect the article. It is full-protected infinitely right now. As for the claims on the photo license, it is GFDL on wikicommons, meaning it's eligible for wiki use. If someone has evidence to the contrary, bring it up at wikicommons and get it deleted. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had placed the evidence on your talk page. I will notify WikiCommons admins also. But why did you protect it on his version? On my version, I had put all the external links in the "External links" section and I had done a general copy edit. Since the issue is only the photos, please put it on my version with the photos added. In the meantime I will contact WikiCommons regarding the fake GFDL license on the photos. Thanks. -- Behnam 01:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The photo is also there on Flickr under CC: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1949399509&size=o سودابه 16:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, exactly. That is why it does not belong to the user that uploaded it. -- Behnam 22:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy and criticism

While such a section may be warranted, the Controversy and criticism that currently exists seems to be primarily speculative and opinionated. I don't know what the lady in the youtube video says so I cannot say whether or not it backs up the point it's supposed to, but the links to the 2 articles do not support what they are suppose to back up. There is nothing in the referenced source that says or suggests "Joya sparked more controversy by accusing Afghan officials of "trying to use the country's Islamic law as a tool with which to limit women's rights"" and there is nothing in the sourced material that suggests "detractors further maintain that Joya has frequently taken lavish trips to the West solely to promote herself while neglecting to foster reconstruction to her underdeveloped and impoverished district of Farah." It seems these may be opinions and/or speculative conclusions reached by the contributor(s) to this section of the wiki article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.61.25 (talk) 14:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have tagged the relevant passages; I personally think they should be deleted but if someone can come up with factual and NPOV modifications please feel free to do so. Tony Kao (talk) 13:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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