Talk:Macy DuBois

Macy DuBois was a Art and architecture good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
February 27, 2008	Good article nominee	Not listed

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that Gazell Macy DuBois designed the Ontario pavilion at Expo 67 (pictured) which looked like "a mess of paper triangles or mentally disarranged envelopes"?

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Death

I don't see where the article explains anything regarding DuBois' death, save the phrase "unexpected death". Anyone have details? /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 04:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do, but pers. comm. from the family. I can't find it published anywhere, so I don't know if they want it published, and Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a primary source. 76.67.19.238 (talk) 03:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Toronto buildings"

The article says he designed "several landmark Toronto buildings." However, only 5 on the list under the heading "Projects" are located in Toronto. I think it should be changed to "Canadian buildings." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.55.34 (talk) 05:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two problems with that. First, the cited reference claims that the Toronto buildings are landmarks; I can't find such a claim for his other works. Second, a national landmark is a higher standard than a city landmark; just because something is the latter doesn't meanit's the former. Really, a good half of his work is in Toronto, with the rest scattered around. I think a special association with Toronto is justified. Note that the projects list is not even close to comprehensive; it's just particularly large and notable works. 76.67.19.238 (talk) 03:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA on hold

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of January 17, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: The article writing is generally interesting and informative. It could use a good copyedit with a few rewordings here and there, but overall it's good writing. The career section could probably be divided to provide better organization and presentation as well.

2. Factually accurate?: This article is very well-referenced. However, references for "Massey Medal (1967) for ECE Group Office building, Don Mills" and "Governor General's Medal in Architecture (1983), for The Oaklands Condominium and Housing Project" are lacking.

3. Broad in coverage?: A bit more about his professional reputation and individual style would be desirable. How is the body of his work generally described? What "school" of architecture is he associated with? How is the body of his work generally viewed by other professionals and critics? These are questions I am left with after reading the article. The sixth paragraph under "Career" only briefly touches on this topic and unfortunately does not say much about it.

4. Neutral point of view?: Some of the writing is a bit enthusiastic. The article should keep a neutral tone throughout and avoid apologetics or fawning. As an example of this issue of tone: "A little too imaginative for some, who claimed the model 'looks vaguely like a bat strangling under a white sheet' or 'a model of a sort of tent city or a mess of paper triangles or mentally disarranged envelopes', it was greatly admired by almost everyone who actually saw it."

5. Article stability? This article appears very stable.

6. Images?: Image are put to good use here. It would be nice if a few better shots of a few different buildings could be included, but it's definitely not a make or break issue.

This article has a lot of good potential and this is a very good start. A relatively small amount of effort will bring this up to GA standards, but there's a lot of room for improvement.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. Vassyana (talk) 02:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the review. It will be attended to. Some of the thin spots are because my ability to find references are thin. For example, a large memorial service is being held on Saturday January 19, where opinions from fellow architects will be readily available, but not in a citeable, verifiable form. I have access to these people and can just ask, but I don't think wikipedia likes (pers. comm.) footnotes. The bit about the Ontario Pavilion was just amazingly funny - see the first draft of the article, before someone else cropped the quotes for fear of copyright infringement, for even more scathing comments.

Still, he was a modernist, and I thought the article says that, but I can make it clearer. The GA nomination was mostly an experiment to see if a small, relatively insignificant article can qualify as a GA. It doesn't just have to be big important things. 76.67.19.238 (talk) 00:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even a copyedit to smooth out the language and to address the tone issues would be sufficient to meet GA standards. Addressing the additional information/references would be nice, but it is not necessary immediately. It's to the article's credit that it is well-written overall and the places for expansion seem so apparent. Vassyana (talk) 16:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seeing how much improvement I can come up with. In the meantime, a few additional citations. 76.67.19.238 (talk) 13:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barber, John (December 29, 2007), "The leaders we need are the ones we don't know yet", The Globe and Mail A non-pay link would be appreciated, but here's a copy of the relvant part from Google's cache:
A city is where the deaths of strangers hit home. People you never knew, yet who made you who you are, and show it most when they disappear, like struts buckling under the stage that supports us all.
To understand, one need only repeat their names. Say "June Callwood" or "Ed Mirvish" and there is nothing left to explain. But say it quickly, because the collective memory of an immigrant city is a short-lived thing. When an explanation becomes necessary, the city collapses. Some new Toronto replaces it.
The death of the year skews the view, but it certainly feels as if home took some especially hard hits in 2007. Biologists would call it a die-off. An entire generation is disappearing. For those left behind, the experience is deeply unsettling.
Every list of intimate urban strangers is individual to some extent. I had no idea how much Macy DuBois meant to me personally, and the city as a whole, until he died this fall. But here was someone who literally made the world we inhabit.
A young U.S. architect tantalized by the spectacular opportunities of postwar Toronto, Mr. DuBois kept me and countless others in constant conversation with serious modernism. I was shocked to realize, at his death, how much his monuments - the art studios at Central Tech, the University of Toronto's New College, George Brown College - triangulated my own life. But you didn't need to know this stranger to feel his passing.
Chodikoff, Ian (August 2005), "Days of Future Passed", Canadian Architect

Oh, one more note: plenty of pictures are available, but I have to have a detailed discussion about copyright issues with the owners. 76.67.19.238 (talk) 13:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh! Cool picture of the Ontario Pavilion burning in 1975: http://expo67.ncf.ca/expo_67_post-era_p95.html 76.67.19.238 (talk) 14:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The lead needs to be expanded per WP:LEAD. Nousernamesleft^{copper, not wood} 03:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's been some improvement, but the principal issues from my review remain. This article is not far off from GA standards and after the issues are addressed I would encourage relisting at WP:GAC. Vassyana (talk) 20:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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