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Unclear

Three points about the start of this article:

Why does the first sentence have "Maori" rather than "Māori"?
"Although New Zealand today is widely regarded internationally as having fair relations with its indigenous Maori peoples compared to its immediate neighbours" - read literally, this compares NZ Māori peoples with NZ's neighbours Māori peoples. If a comparison between indigenous peoples (not all Māori) of NZ and its neighbours is meant, then the word "Māori" does not actually belong here.
"Fair relations" is unhelpful, since "fair" can mean either "the opposite of unfair", or "average"; depending on which way the reader takes it, the sentence can take on two different complexions. 86.132.140.45 (talk) 04:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I've made those changes, and also got rid of the 'immediate neighbours' reference. It clearly meant 'Australia' and should have said so, but the US is a good comparison too, so I've changed it to 'settler societies'. In future, feel free to make changes yourself. --Helenalex (talk) 09:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maori TV

Does Maori TV count toward the developing trend of Maori Establishing things that have been a direct result of Maori Protest Movements? Or if not Maori Protest at least Maori recognition. If so is it mentioned here cause I couldn't see much and may add a section if its appropriate. Savre (talk) 12:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

I have reassessed the article as Start class. The first half of the article is entirely unreferenced. If that could be addressed, it would assess higher than Start class quite easily. Schwede 66 00:38, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Background!#@!?

A lot of rambling about warrior culture and the musket wars and then straight into trying to have a separate Māori political system? No mention of the Treaty??? - come on, we can do better than this. - Snori (talk) 05:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. There was a lot of Māori protest using whatever means available. Agreeing to the treaty itself maybe was a form of protest? As a way of getting the English to govern themselves since they were causing problems. (Plus the Declaration of Independence). Post 1840 there are good court and letter records of Māori petitioning to have wrongs addressed. I will try to allocate some time to editing from some of my sources. Pakoire (talk) 06:12, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've nowedited to create what I believe is a better framing of the topic. In the process I've removed a couple of "true-but-not-really-relevant-here" items. - Snori (talk) 08:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the treaty was about *stopping* English colonisation (which at this point was being done by the NZ Company) - a month after signing Hobson set a military unit down to wellington to try to stamp a company settlement out; then a couple of years later Te Rauparaha gunned down Arthur Wakefield over NZ Company surveying - which action was *fully supported* by Gov Fitzroy as an explicit recognition of Māori domestic government under article 2.

Unfortunately colonists the Company had managed to settler her were close to rebellion; Edward Wakefield got Fitzroy recalled, and Company policy replaced Crown restrain.

and the rest, as they say, is white zealand... Jameskjx (talk) 07:23, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update to article

What are peoples thoughts about expanding the article to include recent Toi Tū Te Tiriti activisms? Would the title better be pluralized as suggested a few years ago on this talk page? "Māori protest movements". Pakoire (talk) 00:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It comes down to how you see the scope of the page. Is it a clear, defined movement, of which the latest protests are a continuation, evolution or subset? Or is it just a descriptor for protests movements that are concerned with Māori interests? Personally, I read it as the former, and I do see the latest movement as part of that continued tradition. So I would extend the article, but I wouldn’t retitle it.

But I am going by my own impressions, and I don’t have sources to back that up. — HTGS (talk) 00:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]