Talk:Más Allá

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GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 15:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Another Wikicup nomination, so I believe it is appropriate for me to review this! --K. Peake 15:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! I don't know why, but I anticipated that you might review this. Which is why I already made some changes to reflect on the issues on you brought up on the other GA review.

Erick (talk)

Magiciandude Sick anticipation on your part, plus it is epic to see you made changes based off of my other review before I even opened the one for this article! --K. Peake 18:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Remove "Studios" from the names of the studios in the infobox since you are not supposed to add the word when it's part of the parameter
Ref 2 should instead be used to write about the song being bolero in the body, but keep the genre listed here
Is Flamenco a genre for the song too since a writer also called the song that?
Emilio Estefan, Jr. → Emilio Estefan under producers
"Cuban American Gloria Estefan's sixth studio album" → "Cuban-American singer Gloria Estefan's sixth studio album,"
"It was written by Kike Santander and Santander and" → "The song was written by Kike Santander, who handled production alongside"
Add a full-stop after Emilio Estefan
Target single to Single (music)
"The song is a Christmas bolero-ballad which deals with selfless love and utilizes church bells." → "A Christmas bolero ballad, the song utilizes church bells and lyrically deals with selfless love." with the targets and wikilink
Critical reception sentence should be the one directly after this; follow that with the commercial performance one
"Estefan performed the track live" → "Gloria Estefan performed the song live" since her husband was the most recently mentioned of the family
Target Vatican to Vatican City
"for President Bill Clinton during" → "for former President Bill Clinton during" with the target and wikilink
"fourteenth studio album Brazil305 and" → "fourteenth studio album, Brazil305, and"
Target music critics to Music journalism
"who praised th ballad for its instruments" → "who mostly praised the instruments"
Target Billboard to Billboard (magazine)

Background and composition

"Gloria Estefan released her" → "Gloria released her" per MOS:SAMESURNAME
"Abriendo Puertas which was produced by" → "Abriendo Puertas, which was produced in its entirety by"
"and her husband Emilio Estefan." → "and Emilio Estefan." because we have already introduced him
Target holiday album to Christmas music
"in the album including" → "on the album, including"
Target single to Single (music)
Shouldn't the mention of the song as bolero from the source that is currently in the infobox be before the Grammy website here?
Target ballad to Sentimental ballad
Are you sure all of the last sentence should be here, as the part where it mentions "elements" of bolero contradicts the genre listed in a way?
"with the lyrics speaking" → "noting that the lyrics speak" and place a comma after the preceding prose in this sentence
"for its ideals."" → "for its ideals"." per MOS:QUOTE

Promotion and reception

"for Pope John Paul II where" → "for Pope John Paul II, where"
Mention that the performance was in October 1995
"in 1995 for the White House presented by President" → "two months later for the White House, presented by then-President" with the target
"Navidad en Mi Pueblo (2002) and by" → "Navidad en Mi Pueblo (2002), and by"
"for the single complimenting as a" → "for the single, complimenting it as a"
Target acoustic to Acoustic music
"ballad" and praised" → "ballad", and praised"
"called it an" → "called the song an"
Is "endeavoring ballad" correct, as google translate says endearing for me?
"Chuck Campbell of The South Bend Tribune" → "Chuck Campbell of the South Bend Tribune"
"the track was a" → "the track is a"
Fix repetition of "song about" in the quote
"warm track" and noted" → "warm track", and noted"
Target Mexican folk to Music of Mexico
"and that it "makes" → "and it "makes"
"for pop fans."" → "for pop fans"." with the target
Remove comma after "Más Allá" in the last sentence

Charts

Chart (1995/1996) → Chart (1995-96)

References

Copyvio score looks top notch at 2.0%!!!!!!!
Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
Wikilink AllMusic on ref 1
Target El Tiempo to El Tiempo (Colombia) on ref 2
Ref 3's URL is not accessible in my country of the UK, plus the archive is just the main website; could you fix the archive, plus does it display the info if you can still access the source? Wikilink Sun-Sentinel here too.
Cite Grammy as publisher instead for ref 4 and target to Grammy Award
Cite Canciones Top 50 as publisher instead for ref 5
Target Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on ref 11 and wikilink Nielsen Business Media
Same issue with ref 3 for ref 12's URL and target Baltimore Sun to The Baltimore Sun
Target The South Bend Tribune to South Bend Tribune on ref 13
Target Cashbox to Cashbox (magazine) on ref 15

External links

Good

Final comments and verdict

On hold after a quick review from me, but I already applauded your effort to take on my previous comments and hopefully you will put in effort to give a timely response here as well! --K. Peake 18:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ay-yo! Thanks again for the review. I noticed that I tried to archive the Sun-Sentinel and the Baltimore Sun again with the Wayback Machine, they redirect to the main page. I have them archived under archive.today instead. It sucks they are blocked in your country, especially since I am personally against censorship and that includes region blocking. But I digress, they should work now. Let me know if there's anything else I may have missed. I've been notified that my glasses were shipped just yesterday. Erick (talk) 03:38, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Magiciandude That is great to hear that you are getting replacement glasses, but you still need to make the fixes I suggested around the bolero genre. --K. Peake 05:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. I reused the other El Tiempo article of Gloria singing to Bill Clinton where it explicitly calls it a bolero ballad. Erick (talk) 21:37, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Magiciandude Nice one, I added a comma that was needed for grammar and remove excess use of the word "bolero". ✓ Pass! --K. Peake 07:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]