Talk:Lyn Stanley

Contested deletion

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because several listed citations support content.--AllTimeMusic (talk) 03:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

This page shouldn't be deleted since deletion is not a replacement for clean-up. There is only a small bit of text that has a promotional tone, and it has been tagged appropiately. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 13:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

COI, lack of reliable sources, etc.

The majority of this page seems to have been written by Lyn Stanley; user Jazz40s even IDs in WikiProject Jazz/Participants as "Independent Jazz Stylist Vocalist and International Recording Artist with gross physical product sales over $200,000 in 2017 with over six successful releases since 2013 and 40,000 albums sold worldwide." Many of the sources cited are not reliable, often they don't actually relate to what's listed, & there are real questions of relevance & due weight. At the very least, those visiting this page should have a heads up that it isn't airtight, so I'm adding the sources template. Knifegames (talk) 22:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Note: I removed my own template addition after extensive cuts/edits (in part detailed below). // Knifegames (talk) 12:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Reasons for cuts

It appears that in the past, cuts have been met with a massive addition of new content, so I'm going to list some things & provide explanations for the removals. If I've removed something because it isn't sourced, please only reintroduce it to the article if you can provide a reliable source (avoid sites that explicitly ID as music promotion / ad sales / publicity sites, e.g. Crossover Media). For the record, an article isn't "better" simply because it's longer!

• Her recording career has generated international recognition as one of today's top jazz vocalists. // The "international" part was covered in giving Spotify stats (…though those aren't actually available at the link) & "one of today's top jazz vocalists" is vague, promotional without providing information.
• high-profile Los Angeles and New York jazz musicians // "Wikipuffery is the puffing of a subject or the addition of praise-filled adjectives and claims." (That link is worth a glance!)
• There aren't sources for any of the work history, but I'm only taking out the "Fortune 500" bit.
• won USA Pro/Am Dancesport Championship titles in 2010. // The "source" here is a link to a video on Stanley's YouTube page; it shows ballroom dancing, but there is nothing to confirm championship titles.
• Beginning in 2010, she became interested in singing. After taking singing lessons for a few months," // Given sources don't discuss timeline for interest or lessons.
• Her debut album, produced by Steve Rawlins was an international success." Source doesn't mention Rawlins or success.
• In October 2015 she released her third album, Interludes in Tokyo, Japan and started an American radio campaign in January 2016 for this album. // The first link is dead (& the translation in the note seems like a stretch); starting a radio campaign isn't noteworthy.
• Highly regarded engineers Al Schmitt (21 Grammy Awards) and mastering engineer Bernie Grundman have recorded, mixed, and mastered most of Lyn Stanley's albums. // No source; "highly regarded" & # Grammys = puffery.
• However, in 2019 she engaged Grammy Award-winning engineer, Allen Sides, for both mixing and/or recording her Julie London two-album project, including a direct-cut vinyl recording (see direct to disc below). // The "see below" bit isn't how this works; the source doesn't mention Stanley.
• On January 15, 2016, a party was held at the La Cicada Club in Los Angeles to celebrate the release of her album Interludes. Annette Warren, at 93, was one of those who performed at the show. With her husband Paul Smith, the jazz pianist best known for his work with Ella Fitzgerald, they encouraged Stanley to give up competitive ballroom DanceSport as a USA amateur champion four years earlier to become a jazz singer. // I tend to err on the side of keeping things *in* Wikipedia (an inclusionist!), but giving this level of detail for a record release party would be undue weight even if the source were reliable.
• In December 2016 Stanley announced her next album, entitled The Moonlight Sessions, Volume One and The Moonlight Sessions, Volume Two released in 2017. In April 2017 a three-part story about her recording career and her 2017 albums was released by John Stancavage at Part-Time Audiophile. // Announcements & the fact of a long story are not noteworthy.
• Stanley announced the release date of May 30, 2017 for The Moonlight Sessions, Volume One and Volume Two in two formats—double vinyl 45RPM—Special Limited Edition using the One-Step pressing process and Super Audio CDs (SACD). This vinyl pressing process was popular in the 1950s before mass production of vinyl records was needed to meet demand. The One Step vinyl album uses the original lacquer to create the Father or Master stamper which then makes the final vinyl records (1-1000 units only) sold to the consumer. // This isn't about Lyn Stanley.
• This unusual and very challenging "no fixes possible" recording and live mix were engineered by Allen Sides at Bernie Grundman's Mastering Studio in Hollywood. Bernie Grundman mastered the lacquer instantly from the live mix created by Sides. There are over 12 minutes of music on each side with Lyn Stanley performing on each song (with short instrumental interludes) making her one of a handful of solo vocal recording artists to achieve this amount of continuous recording time; typically these albums are instrumental only. To achieve the four songs per vinyl record side, a pause of 3-5 seconds was necessary to create the gap between songs. The listener can hear pages turning and other artifacts typically removed from studio recordings. // Lots of less-than-noteworthy detail here, & it is not the case that Stanley is one of five solo vocal recording artists to ever manage 12 minutes of continuous recording time.
• Lyn Stanley and her Jazz Mavericks performed live in front of an audience at Capitol Recording Studio A on June 1, 2019. A Blu-ray multi-track 5.1 surround sound high definition 1080K video and 192/24 bit stereo audio are in production with a delivery date targeted for alate Spring 2020 release. A holiday album for 2020 is also planned with big band and small group arrangements. This will be Ms. Stanley's 10th recording (one single and nine albums). // Avoid conjecture about the future (which, as we see here, eventually becomes the past…); the Wiki Words to watch guidelines will likely be helpful, & there's a section on relative time references.

This should give a sense of why things are being cut, so please don't just add piles more; Wikipedia is not for marketing! // Knifegames (talk) 10:07, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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