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A fact from Lundy's Restaurant appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 September 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that following a strike at Lundy's Restaurant in New York City, its owner announced that it would "never reopen" – only to have it reopen a few months later?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:31, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Lundy's Restaurant in New York City was once one of the largest restaurants in the United States, serving up 2,800 diners at a time? Source: Postal, Matthew A. (ed.), Guide to New York City Landmarks (4th ed.), New York: John Wiley & Sons, p. 280
- ALT1:... that following a strike at Lundy's Restaurant in New York City, its owner announced that it would "never reopen", only to have it reopen a few months later? Source: Kings County Courier Jul 1957 (closure), Dec 1957 (reopening)
- ALT2:... that at Lundy's Restaurant, one could have shrimp, steamed clams, potatoes, vegetables, a cocktail, halves of a lobster and a chicken, coffee, and dessert for $5? Source: Brooklyn: A State of Mind, pp. 281-282
- ALT3:... that at Lundy's Restaurant, diners wore "lobster bibs"? Source: Brooklyn: A State of Mind, pp. 281-282
- ALT4:... that the owner of Lundy's Restaurant invented "lobster bibs" for diners to wear? Source: Brooklyn: A State of Mind, pp. 281-282

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Narsaq stick
Comment: In regards to copyvios, the "matches" picked up by the copyvio detector are quotes and proper names.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 17:55, 10 September 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Starting review

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: valereee (talk) 17:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I like ALT2 a lot, but I think it needs the context of a year. I looked at the source, it's saying "for about $5 in the post-war years." Can we possibly pin that down? --valereee (talk) 17:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0 cited, but there are multiple estimates provided and sourced in the article. Not sure how to decide which number to use in this kind of case. --valereee (talk) 18:21, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 partially cited. It doesn't mention the month in which Lundy said he'd shutter permanently, which we need in order to say that when it reopened in December it was just a few months later. --valereee (talk) 18:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm wondering about a hook around the lobster bib, which was apparently invented by Lundy? To me that seems like it might be more interesting to a general audience than the three current ALTs. --valereee (talk) 18:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Valereee: thanks for starting the review. I added exact month in regards to ALT1, and when the $5 meal was offered in regards to ALT2. Could you check ALT3? epicgenius (talk) 23:37, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Epicgenius, ALT2 now fully cited in the article, but we'll need to fit that context into the hook. I'm also wondering if we should either just take the 'cocktail' out or specify 'crab cocktail' or 'oyster cocktail', since cocktail alone is generally a drink. I don't think we'd need to say 'crab or oyster cocktail' like the source says, as it's clearly the diner's choice of the two. They could have that, which is what the alt says.

ALT1 approved.

ALT3...I was thinking the fact the restaurant owner invented them was the interesting part? Am I perceiving lobster bibs as more iconic than they are and their invention more interesting? To me that detail is literally the most interesting thing in the article. Yoninah do you have time/interest to provide an opinion on a lobster bib hook? --valereee (talk) 12:23, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: thanks for the additional comments. I revised ALT3 (that's the new ALT4) to reflect that the restaurant's owner created these "lobster bibs". I don't think in ALT2 that we need to specify that it is an either crab or oyster cocktail, because this might be too much info to put in the hook. I also did a QPQ. epicgenius (talk) 12:41, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALTs 1 and 4. Still not sure about ALT0, as there are three estimates in the article. 2800 is the middle, so it might be fine. ALT2 I still think needs context of time in the hook, but the cocktail thing may be okay. If the promoter prefers ALT0 or ALT2, ping me and we can continue to discuss, but I'm passing this for ALTs 1 and 4. --valereee (talk) 09:51, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: JAH2k (talk · contribs) 14:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing the article. It should be finished no later than 7 days from now. JAH2k (talk) 14:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Good work on using minimal direct quotes.
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History section could be shortened slightly but currently does not go overboard.
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