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Denmark

Denmark is the damn capital of this, how comes there's no honorable mention? I'd advise someone to check out Danish Smørrebrød. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.89.48.85 (talk) 15:59, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Retarded

Cold cuts are not exclusively found on supermarket shelves, as the article implies. In fact, you can make your own (from animals) and skip the nitrates if you'd like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.80.97.208 (talk) 18:05, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Merge?

I think we can merge this page with deli meat. A combined page for both could add information to each. Anyone else agree? Wyldphyre 04:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with merging. As a side comment, clicking "Roast Turkey" on this page links people to the country Turkey instead of Turkey (bird). Sorry, I don't know how to fix that. {Bob}

Can I argue that the title of this article should be "Deli Meats" and not "Cold cut"? Until I saw this article I had never heard the term "cold cut" and had someone said this term to me I would have to enquire as to what they where referring to. I don't really refer to them as "Deli meat" ether but if someone said that to me I would have at least got the idea of what they where talking about. I'm guessing that the term "cold cut" is perhaps an American term? Just a suggestion anyway. 86.111.162.127 (talk) 14:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the term "cold cut" is something that i occasionally hear from imported amercian tv programmes, it's not something that had ever come up in normal english conversation, hence my need to come here and look it up.82.25.68.120 (talk) 13:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I am an American (fiftysomething, living in the Midwest) and have often heard the term; I came to this article hoping to learn the origin of the phrase. Guess I'll look elsewhere.Beamjockey (talk) 12:55, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I, the Mighty Obbop, star of neither stage nor screen, a Disgruntled Old Coot who has survived for over one-half century within the declining once-sovereign engaged-in-class-warfare USA, recalls hearing the term "cold cuts" now-and-then back in the 1960s but it seems that use of that term has faded and I seldom hear it used anymore. Perhaps, as with many terms, there are parts of the USA where the term is embedded and still used. Note the regional variances in sandwich naming; hero, sub, hoagy, poor boy and a horde of other names that often label sandwiches with little to no differences between them. Okay.... ignore generalities and bellow out a known exception you are aware of but that exception that is true for you may not exist with another person living a mere 30 miles away.68.91.133.40 (talk) 18:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Although I've lived the majority of my life in the Great Lakes region (mainly Chicago and Cleveland) I've also lived in the South, and the East Coast... and I've heard 'em called 'cold cuts' every place I've been, as well as 'deli meat' and 'lunch or luncheon meat'. It makes no more sense to change the article title to any of those or any other possible name -- because someone would inevitably come around and argue 'why not call the article cold cuts?'. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 04:42, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I`ve never heard of Cold cut, I agree we should change it to "Deli Meats" or Cold meat.Marian Dan (talk) 15:03, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Citing high Fat and Sodium

I believe that a citation is in order for the high fat and sodium content of cold cuts, since most deli-prepared, non-prepackaged cold cuts are just normal cuts of meat, and have no substantially different fat or sodium content than normal. A distinction should be made between freshly prepared deli cold cuts, and pre-packaged, typically preserved cold cuts. 70.35.160.201 09:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't imagine it makes much difference, most of these meats are cured/smoked/salted, many are made with added fat(sausages), they're high in fat and sodium regardless of whether you buy them cut to order or pre-packed.82.25.68.120 (talk) 13:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

This is true. Companies that make cold cuts now offer lower-sodium products. The difference is like 10 times less! Fluous (talk) 06:14, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Definition

Cold cuts are cheeses or precooked meat [...] served cold on, this is not the case, SPAM being made from cuts of pork and ham and not mechanically reclaimed meats. I challenge anyone to find a citation to show that SPAM is made in the same way, with the same 'cuts' of meat, as (pork) luncheon meat. (SouthernElectric 15:03, 28 September 2007 (UTC))

Gallup Poll

i dont see how a 'narrow' victory can also be have a 'whopping' majority of the vote. but more pressing, is that i cant find any reference to this Gallup poll anywhere but here on the Wiki page, and on a blog post; that's all Google turns up. i searched Gallup.com and nothing pops up using their search function. fishy, given the fact the paragraph is entirely promotional, and probably should be removed on that grounds anyway; they may or may not have have 'won' a poll, bu that doesnt make them notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abcbe (talk • contribs) 09:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

North American term?

Cold cuts is not an north american term. 1. Most of the stuff on the list have its orgin in europe(germany, italy etc) 2. Doesn't north america include mexico? Do they use "cold cuts", and what about english speaking countries not in america? 3. Some non-English speaking countries use the term in their own language. In sweden it's called kallskuret(cold-cutted) and in germany Aufschnitt(on-cut/cut-open?)83.185.134.96 (talk) 11:23, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

In English - cold cuts is an American English term; they are usually referred to as sliced meats or cold meats in British English for example.--62.249.233.80 (talk) 17:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

It's a regionalism even IN American English. It sounds terribly pretentious or old-fashioned to me (I say "lunch meat").

TERRIBLY PRETENTIOUS?!? Key-rist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.32.39.11 (talk) 16:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Storage

How long can they be kept? Imagine Reason (talk) 22:09, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Also think that would be good to add. This page is next to useless. --69.111.57.127 (talk) 19:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Method

Would it be too much, to link this page to sodium nitrate? Perhaps p[eople would like to know what they are consuming —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.48.227 (talk) 00:30, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree, there's virtually no useful information on this page. --69.111.57.127 (talk) 19:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Really?

The photo accompanying this article is captioned "A tray of assorted lunch meats" It shows what appears to be a few slices of two different cold cuts along with some sliced tomatoes and a few pickles - hardly an assortment unless two is now an assortment and half of the items on the plate aren't even meats - other than that... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.90 (talk) 13:57, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Meatloaf?

Amongst the various types of lunch meats listed in this article is "meatloaf" which further has several types listed under it such as olive loaf and pimento loaf. Meatloaf is linked to the wiki article on meatloaf where it is quite correctly described as what most people would call meatloaf. From this it can be gathered, that meatloaf isn't really a type of cold cut and certainly not something like olive loaf or pimento loaf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.162 (talk) 18:33, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Meatloaf (yes, the type described at the meatloaf article) sandwiches are fairly well known where I'm from (North Carolina). And if you read up on olive loaf and pimento loaf they are made in much the same way as meatloaf. --Khajidha (talk) 17:24, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Canned, unsliced luncheon meat?

Many products similar to SPAM are labelled as "luncheon meat" too. The article should be expanded to include that type of canned meats. Artoria2e5 contrib 01:14, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

We currently have a {{for|the food occasionally referred to as "luncheon meat"|Spam (food)}}, but that just doesn't cut it. The Spam (food) article deals with the brand, not the generic type. Artoria2e5 🌉 12:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

9 CFR 319.260 does not seem to rule out canning, although I have no evidence that Spam calls itself that in the US (Canadian and Filipino Spam packaing say "luncheon meat", however). Plenty of canned food manufacturers, from US to Philipines to Korea to China, call their generic version "luncheon meat".--Artoria2e5 🌉 15:21, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Canadian reg is not that different from US, at CRC C.870 § B.14.035. (Yawn) Artoria2e5 🌉 13:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

There seems to be an attempt at... something about regional terms from Special:Diff/1054727422. The only part with a source was removed in Special:Diff/1105442325. (I do not believe the removal is justified: countries have standards of identity, what's so hard to understand?) The unsourced part was removed in Special:Diff/1107924874.

Between the two removal diffs, someone added a section about Hong Kong, which uses "luncheon meat" almost only for the canned thing. This is probably true; at least it tracks with my experience in neighboring China and matches what the South Koreans and Japanese and Filipino food shops are doing. Artoria2e5 🌉 13:32, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 12 November 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:27, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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Lunch meat → Cold meats – Although it was me who moved it to "lunch meat" in 2015 after the #North American term? discussion above, I think "cold meats" is the most universal term. In some parts of Europe cold meats are often part of breakfast, so "lunch meat" is too restrictive. As for the formal phrase "luncheon meat", my experience agrees with the above note that this refers to canned processed meat like Spam (food) – and not to ham.

I think the plural should be used rather than "cold meat" as the term is mainly used as a generic to cover a variety of products. – Fayenatic London 11:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:30, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

• "Deli meat" might be better. I don't think I've ever heard this topic referred to as "Cold meats". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:52, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. I've heard the term "cold cuts" but never heard the term "cold meats". And as they can be served hot or cold, the term "cold meat" seems to be too restrictive also. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Move to cold cuts instead. The term is more universal. Shwcz (talk) 21:44, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. I think we'll run into some WP:ENGVAR issues here, and the current title isn't WP:BROKEN. 162 etc. (talk) 17:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• I mean, I've heard "cold cuts", "deli meats", but never "cold meats", which is a descriptive title. But all this "I've heard X" "I haven't heard Y" strikes me of WP:NWFCTM--could we get some sources? Red Slash 19:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• That is a good point. Two sources referred to in the article have an appropriate term in their title, namely "deli meats" and "cold cuts". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Based on the Google Ngrams, it looks like "cold cuts" is the most common term.[1] Rreagan007 (talk) 07:08, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. As a generic term, this is what they are. In the UK, we would not use the terms "lunch meat" or "deli meat" and rarely "cold cuts" (which would probably be seen as a bit old-fashioned and pretentious and seen more as referring only to cold roast meat in any case). We would just say "cold meat(s)". As has been stated, to us luncheon meat is basically a sort of spam and only that. "Lunch meat"? No, never used in the UK. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:27, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps it ultimately comes down to the terminology being an WP:ENGVAR issue. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:58, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

According to the Google Ngrams, "cold cuts" is the most common term in American English, and the second most popular in British English, with "cold meats" being the most popular term in British English.[2][3] Personally I'm not that much of a fan of either term, as they can be served hot, so both "cold cuts" and "cold meats" aren't descriptively accurate. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:45, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Neither is lunch meat, since they're not only served for lunch! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't necessarily disagree. Rreagan007 (talk) 07:20, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Although, as I've said, it would be regarded as somewhat old-fashioned in the UK, I would also support Cold cuts if that will contribute to consensus. Better than the current title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

• (As proposer) I now support the alternative using the plural "cold cuts", given the Ngram results above and the combined English Ngram.[4] Apologies for not checking that before I started. – Fayenatic London 22:18, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Cold cuts was also suggested several times. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:30, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose all moves and keep as is. I could probably support the original proposal, as that's what I'd call it personally, but it seems that's an ENGVAR issue. I definitely oppose cold cuts though, I've never heard of that and I also wouldn't WP:RECOGNIZE that title if I saw it without context. The present "lunch meat" is fine and, as noted above, not broken - it's a well-known term.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:45, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Types section

I think that we should move the "types" section to List of lunch meats. Any opposition? GrayStorm^{(Talk|Contributions)} 15:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)