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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move. Andrewa (talk) 11:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Her name is Lucy Ricardo, McGillicuddy is her maiden name, at best it would be Lucy McGillicuddy Ricardo, not this bastardized version. Corvus cornix_talk 23:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 23:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, undone, don't do cut and paste moves. In addition, when you do a move, you need to make sure that the Talk page gets moved, as well. Corvus cornix_talk 23:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, she should be "Lucy McGillicuddy Ricardo" not this version, its wrong. It should be fixed as soon as possible. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Lucille Ball

I am surprise to see no link to Lucille Ball. Is that an oversight, or some protocol? Alan Davidson (talk) 06:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added an {{in-universe}} tag. Thee needs to be a lot more tie-in to Lucille Ball, the history of the show, etc. Corvus cornix_talk 21:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After I Love Lucy

Lucy was on other shows like The Lucy Show and Here's Lucy named Lucy Carmichael and Lucy Carter but really its all the same Lucy.

It seems this should be removed or somehow fixed.El Gonz (talk) 16:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH also concludes that Lucy Carmichael and Lucy Carter are in essence the character Lucy Ricardo. I believe secondary sources can be found to reference an encyclopedic discussion of that, but currently the matter is poorly discussed in this article. --→gab 24dot grab← 19:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal (old)

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Let's start a fresher one. --George Ho (talk) 13:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Lucy Ricardo is notable alone. In the show, all she does are getting herself into trouble, such as posing as Carmen Miranda, winning a horse and hiding, hiding incubating chicken eggs, and pretending to be a princess of a non-existent country, but always gets caught by her husband Ricky (or not noticed luckily by him). Even Ricky is not notable himself, except when he attracts ladies and gets Lucy jealous, and even he tries to be a famous musician. All Ricky and Lucy did are driving each other crazy, such as attempting to make each other nuts at a lousy camping trip, especially with Ethel Mertz brough along, getting themselves locked up with a handcuff, and... many more? Even real-world reception doesn't help at all make me believe that they are individually notable. What do you think? --George Ho (talk) 21:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's clear that what we need to do is create a proper article about Little Ricky. He doesn't seem to have one. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- How strong would Little Ricky article be? To be honest, Little Ricky is not that notable alone; in fact, he looks cute and a little more involved, but that's it. There must be real-world commentary about these characters, such as Little Ricky. For instance, the pregnancy of Lucille Ball would be an example, and reception, as well. --George Ho (talk) 04:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge to Ricky Ricardo, as both subjects are individually notable. Incidentally, I support creation of List of I Love Lucy characters, but would not merge this there. --→gab 24dot grab← 19:04, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- How so? In or out of the show? If they are both individually notable, then how can we write separately about both of them? For Casting, Lucy plays a housewife and picked Desi as a husband. I am talking content, not notability, am I right? --George Ho (talk) 19:08, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lucille Ball's "Lucy" character has been discussed ad infinitum for a half-century in mountains of secondary works, to the point that I will do something I've never done before: simply cite WP:SNOWBALL. I recommend against it, but if you want to unleash the firestorm, create an RfC on the matter. --→gab 24dot grab← 19:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Umm... Per WP:articles for deletion/Ashton Kutcher on Twitter, "WP:What Wikipedia is not" policy may triumph WP:notability and subject guidelines. Would articles of Lucy and of Ricky repeat each other? Well, if not, Lucy is a gay icon, but how does that benefit encyclopedic value of an individual article, regardless of notability? Ricky is mentioned as a Latino to be laughed at. Ricky is also called this way. The plot elements... well, does inclusion of Lucy's adventures with Ethel help? If so, there must be an episode about women that does not involve men (indirectly or directly). An episode about women's employment at a struggling dress shop is an indirect involvement because men don't find out about this. --George Ho (talk) 20:07, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know you well enough to know if you're just joking here, but...if you're serious just open an RfC and stand back. --→gab 24dot grab← 21:56, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not until the move request is over. --George Ho (talk) 22:08, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move (2012)

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 12:39, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy McGillicuddy Ricardo → Lucy Ricardo – She is always called this way during the show. As for the merger proposal with Ricky Ricardo, let's leave this out of this renaming proposal, as this can be discussed in #Merger proposal. --George Ho (talk) 22:54, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support move from 'Lucy McGillicuddy Ricardo' to 'Lucy Ricardo'. This article has suffered from a host of ill-advised names: Lucy McGillicuddy, Lucille Esmeralda McGillicuddy, Lucy Ricardo nee McGillicuddy, Lucy Ricardo McGillicuddy. Per WP:COMMONNAME, it should always have been titled "Lucy Ricardo". --→gab 24dot grab← 18:53, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Clear WP:COMMONNAME case. I get 7 gnews archive results for "Lucy McGillicuddy Ricardo" compared to 756 for "Lucy Ricardo" "I Love Lucy". Jenks24 (talk) 10:23, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger proposal

There is rough consensus for moving this article to Lucy and Ricky Ricardo, and than merging Ricky Ricardo into it. Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{WrestleMania XXVIII} _{The Undertaker 20–0} 17:30, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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As discussed previously, both characters, Lucy and Ricky, may be notable individual. However, right now, matter is the potential encyclopedic content on both of their articles, not their individual "notability". The Casting section of Lucy Ricardo won't be that stellar because Lucille Ball herself wanted to cast herself as the housewife and wanted her then-husband Desi play the "straight man" part. How can notability be consistent with quality of an article? Under guidelines of WP:notability, a notable topic does not guarantee a valuable article about one topic. Even an article about a "notable" topic, like Ashton Kutcher on Twitter, is never easy to write and to balance. As for the "Lucy is a gay icon" and "Ricky is a stereotype" thing, that could be better said in Characters section of I Love Lucy article. I mean, look at the condition of Lucy Ricardo: not only a bad quality but only fiction stuff. Speaking of fiction stuff, even her background isn't stellar for general needs.

With "Ricky and Lucy" article, it is a good balance. Even writing a section about their friendship with the Mertzes is beter than writing about Lucy's friendship with Ethel, right? --George Ho (talk) 15:03, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support MOVE but ONLY to new title 'Lucy and Ricky Ricardo'; after that, 'Ricky Ricardo' can be merged into this article (I can discuss the many advantages of my suggested title over the nominator's proposal, but it seems unnecessary to do that right now). Although each of the two characters is certainly individually-notable, a one-article juxtaposed discussion of their largely-shared, deeply-connected stories seems more useful than separated articles (unless and until the article becomes too lengthy, which seems unlikely). Eventually we'll need a separate article 'List of I Love Lucy characters'.--→gab 24dot grab← 18:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Ricky's full name

I'm not sure how one would go about verifying this, and I don't know where the full name in the article came from, but I recall at least two different full names being used on the show. In one case that name included Enrique.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just watched an episode in which he calls himself Ricardo Alberto Fernando Ricardo y Acha, which must be correct, because "Enrique" means "Henry," not "Ricky" (i.e., Rick/Richard, "Ricardo," in Spanish). Not sure if there is an episode in which he calls himself Enrique, but although it kind of sounds like Ricky, it's an entirely different name, so I doubt Desi Arnaz would have allowed such an error to be made. In the episode in Hollywood in which Ricky forgets their anniversary date, he very clearly says Ricardo, which makes his name Ricardo Ricardo. He also says "y Acha" (or spelled y Hacha?) not "y de..." but he may have been contracting it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apriluno (talk • contribs) 03:10, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: Just watched another episode (the one with the wax tulips), and Lucy admonishes Ricky, calling him "Enrique Alberto Ricardo y de Acha the third!" (She leaves out Fernando). My guess is that Lucille Ball flubbed her line, and said "Enrique" by mistake. Why the blooper went uncorrected is anyone's guess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apriluno (talk • contribs) 05:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I believe he calls HIMSELF Enrique in the episode of the Lucy Desi comedy hour in which they flash back to when they met in Cuba. Just because Enrique is equivalent to "Henry" in English, that doesn't mean he wouldn't use the nickname "Ricky" in America.68.199.97.145 (talk) 08:37, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from Ricky Ricardo

With the recent WP:RM resolving by renaming 'Lucy Ricardo' to 'Lucy and Ricky Ricardo', I have now edited 'Ricky Ricardo' to redirect to 'Lucy and Ricky Ricardo'. The old material is still in the history if anyone feel the need to bring any more over here. --→gab 24dot grab← 21:33, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

so

Lucy Ricardo's significant other is Ricky Ricardo

Ricky Ricardo's significant other is Lucy Ricardo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.178.238 (talk) 01:57, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Band name

The article only refers to "Ricky's band," but bands generally have names. Does anybody know what the band's name was, or if it was ever mentioned? JDZeff (talk) 19:44, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Interracial marriage

Ricky Ricardo (and Desi Arnaz) was Cuban-American of almost exclusively Spanish descent. Desi Arnaz was descended from mayors of Santiago de Cuba on both sides. Under the Census definitions and mores of the time of their marriage, he would be considered white. Under current terminology, he would be considered a white Hispanic. Their marriage could be considered an intra-racial interethnic marriage, but that was not taboo either by law or custom.

I was the one who added the part about interracial marriage. In my college, I'm a journalism major, and we did a major (no pun intended) unit on how depictions of marriages have evolved in the media. It was our professor who described Lucy and Ricky's marriage as the first interracial marriage on an American TV show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.187.178.189 (talk) 13:34, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your Professor was ignorant. They were never considered to be an interracial couple - nor a "mixed" couple. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrventura (talk • contribs) 17:33, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ball and Arnaz also appeared on an episode of Make Room for Daddy (aka The Danny Thomas Show) as Lucy and Ricky. These were guest starring roles, not cameos. See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0640001/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.128.207 (talk) 08:05, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No "Early Life" of Ricky Ricardo

The "Early Life" secion is entirely about Lucy, nothing on Ricky. You got some 'splaining to do! BMJ-pdx (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy and Desi were NOT an interracial couple

This is a widely circulating myth. In the 40s/50s/60s, Desi Arnaz and most Latin-Americans were considered white. They were not minorities. The reason they could get legally married in the 40s was because they were not an interracial couple. Desi was white.

Their marriage was never controversial, and the show was not race-related. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrventura (talk • contribs) 17:10, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]