Talk:Lotte Stam-Beese

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Nationality

What is the basic of categorizing her as a Polish architect? I don't see any sources for that; it seems to me as she is thoroughly German, or German-Dutch. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:37, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: I wasn't sure of how to word this. She was born here: Rokitki, Lower Silesian Voivodeship. Is it the case that if someone was born there as late as 1944, they are said to be German on Wikipedia, but if born in the same place in 1945 they're said to be Polish? (She was not born so close to this date, but the answer to this extreme example will help me to understand). Confusingly, because she's known for her work in the Netherlands, she seems to be given more often than not as Dutch (if I recall correctly). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:57, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is no perfect answer, but check the article on expulsion of Germans. For someone born in the time and place of German partition of Poland, what matters is her own perception of self and her ethnic background, and nothing I see here suggests she wouldn't identify herself as German. Unless we find a source that says otherwise, I think it's safe to assume she was German. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:39, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And indeed, I just double-checked the sources, and see that the only one that makes a definitive statement about her nationality is this one, which labels her German. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 20:50, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

She didn't speak Polish, and when she was born in Rokitki it was officially in Germany and known as Reisicht. She never considered herself Polish, or indeed anything but German and (later) Dutch. Are we by the same token to call Palestinians now living in Jordan or Lebanon 'Israeli' because the place they were born in is now officially part of Israel?213.127.210.95 (talk) 18:54, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weaving

I think it's misleading to say she "enrolled to study weaving". She was the first female student at the Bauhaus, and female students there were at first obliged to take a weaving course, lest anyone might think they actually wanted to be real architects like men. There is no trace in her career of any further interest in weaving. Even her teacher (and eventual lover) Hannes Meyer thought women only had a future as architects if they married male architects and worked in their husbands' firms - and when news of their affair leaked out, he actually ordered her to abandon her studies, in the hope of saving his own career and skin (he was married with children). So if she enrolled to study weaving, it surely wasn't her own choice - she enrolled at the Bauhaus in order to study architecture, and complied with the sexist conditions.213.127.210.95 (talk) 18:54, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Gender role barriers

In response to "Weaving", I added more factual information about Beese's departure from Bauhaus, and her relationships with Meyer and Stam, who contributed a lot to her experience and career developments as an architect. As a woman (and single mother) standing her ground in a man's world, the gender role barriers she faced must not be downplayed when considering her achievements and contributions to the post-war reconstruction of Rotterdam. However, I did not want the page to just discuss her personal life, so I added more detailed information about her architectural work itself. --Gizmohannibal (talk) 12:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC) Gizmohannibal[reply]