Talk:Long Beach, California/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Corrections

I've corrected one error of fact, and removed one bit of trivia. Pacific Coast Highway does run through Long Beach, but does NOT run through downtown Long Beach. The reference to Long Beach having an Original Tommy's is just about as significant as Long Beach having a McDonalds. Original Tommy's is a local Los Angeles burger chain, of which there are 27 of them. The only one that might be worth noting in the Wikipedia is their very original hamburger stand at the corner of Beverly and Rampart Boulevards.

gK 8 Oct 2004 11:56 PST

Famous residents of Long Beach

Wheely Willy, the celebrity Chihuaha, TV star and featured in How Willy Got His Wheels and How Willy Got His Wings — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.20.14.2 (talk) 19:42, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Long Beach's political/social leanings

I'm going to delete the entire paragraph about homosexuality in Long Beach. The entire paragraph is full of unsourced information.Reinoe (talk) 18:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Reinoe

There ought to be a section on Long Beach's political/social leanings —Preceding unsigned comment added by unknown editor (talk • contribs) unknown date

I completely disagree. Wikipedia should be as free from POV as possible. Who is qualified to speak for the residents as to what their political/social leanings are? Such information would be nothing but one person's POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Westmt01 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 12 September 2006

If the political or social leanings are important to the city, or are controversial, they should be mentioned (e.g. Santa Monica, California). For the city of Long Beach, the political leanings don't really effect the city that much IMHO. More important to the article on Long Beach would be a mention of Beverly O'Neil's successful write-in campaign for a third term for mayor.

Another issue still missing from the article is the tremendous demographic shift from the Iowa-by-the-Sea of the 1950s to the present day's most ethnically diverse large city in the US. I think that the best way to show that change is to dig up the data from the census website and then do a table from the 1940 to 2000 censuses. ^Blank ^Verse 22:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Did someone just copy and paste the last paragraph for the History section from a pamphlet for the aquarium? it's self-indulgent and is written from the point of view of the aquarium itself. lunacy. anyone wanna re-write it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mason.witt (talk • contribs) 00:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Mormons

Answering User:Willmcw's question about the San Pedro-Mormon connection: I was a little surprised to find out that this info is apparently true (my Mormon 2nd great grandfather's autobiography talks about visiting California in August 1855, including the nearby Dominguez Ranch, but makes no mention of a Mormon colony in San Pedro). A quick check on the internet, however, found this [1]:

"Brigham Young saw southern California as a source of supply for Utah. He also wanted to establish a mail route as well as a way station betwieen Utah and San Pedro Harbor as a rest stop for missionaries and immigrants....{Jefferson] Hunt also successfuly introduced a bill to construct a road from San Pedro Harbor through the Cajon Pass towards Utah. The harbor had become "the permanent depot for the territory of Utah... with emigrants and merchandise."

There is another Mormon connection to San Pedro: The Mormon Battalion camped there in 1847. [2]

I couldn't find anything specifically about a Mormon colony in San Pedro on the internet (but I didn't look that hard), but the suggestion is that there was one for awhile. I have a number of CD-ROMs with some Mormon history, so I will try to find out more. I might also try to contact the local Long Beach Family History Center to see if they can tell me anything. [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 08:06, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! Since the colony didn't survive, I suppose the main details of interest would be the dates, the name of the island, and the number of people involved. It sounds like San Pedro, California might be a better location for this anecdote, since San Pedro Bay is just a stub and there is a closer connection to it than to Long Beach. Willmcw 08:17, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

My guess is that the island that they are referring to is what is now called Terminal Island, which I shared between the Port of Long Beach, and the Port of Los Angeles, so the information might belong to both Long Beach and either San Pedro, California or the Port of Los Angeles. [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 14:46, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

new Environment section

IMHO, much of the newly introduced section describes a fantasy land that hasn't existed in Long Beach since the days of the Spanish land grants. It sounds more like it is describing some sections of the Palos Verdes Peninsula instead.

Here are some of my concerns:

" Many of the most beautiful and noteworthy plants of the region can still be seen throughout the city."
- Long Beach is a VERY urban city, with very little remaining non-park open space. What remains, usually in the form of vacant lots and brownfields around oil pumps, is very disturbed and is almost all non-native grasses and plants like wild mustard. Even in some of the areas that are less disturbed in the area, such as the steeper slopes of Signal Hill, you will find few native plants. That paragraph specifically mentions California poppy, but I've never seen it in the Long Beach area except for the wild seed mix I planted in my own garden.
"...in little-disturbed areas such as the El Dorado Nature Center"
- The location of the Nature Center was not a little-disturbed area, but instead was a fairly involved restoration effort
"Many indigenous species of birds, mammals, and other wildlife still roam the city."
- You will find the normal mammals and birds that you'd find in practically any urban environment, such as raccoons, opossoms, skunks, etc., but little else.
"The RiverLink project has begun to revegetate the Long Beach stretch of the Los Angeles River with indigenous plants."
- The RiverLink project is more a nacent enterprise and hasn't done that much so far. The Los Angeles River through Long Beach is little changed so far from the way that it's been for the past 50 years.
"The Long Beach Greenbelt, which follows the abandoned Pacific Electric railroad diagonally through the city, has been cleared of nonnatives and planted with indigenous plants."
- This makes it sound like a huge project, while the Greenbelt, in reality, is only a portion of the old Red Car tracks, with other parts of it filled in with storage units, etc.

I welcome anyone to counter my points. I will keep an open mind if you can provide evidence from the California Native Plant Society, the local Audobon Society chapter, etc. Otherwise, I'm going to take a weed-whacker to the Environment section and turn it into something more reality-based. ^Blank ^Verse 10:21, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll probably give this another week, but there is no response, I will either drastically alter the Environment section, or just delete it completely. ^Blank ^Verse 22:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I've done some updating, but it still needs work. There should be at least a paragraph on pollution, in addition to BlankVerse's comments. --Justin.Johnsen 16:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Good work.

A discussion of pollution in Long Beach should include something on the Port of Long Beach (with an expanded discusion in the port article itself). Then there is the problems with the Los Angeles River, as well as beach polution (including the Colorado Lagoon). Air pollution is probably best covered as a regional problem, but I don't think there is an article currently on either air pollution in Los Angeles or the South Coast Air Quality Management District. ^Blank ^Verse 09:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Southern California Assessment

Added the new banner. Assigned it a B quality rating with High importance to start, after reading the rating system. --Justin.Johnsen 20:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

If it is B quality, it is probably barely B quality. I know that when I first started working on the Wikipedia, and especially on editing the Long Beach article, I was pretty good about verifying the information that I added, but not that good about properly referencing the material that I added. That's the area where the Long Beach article needs the greatest work. ^Blank ^Verse 11:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Barely B indeed. Bumped it down to Start class, and laid more groundwork to bring it back. --Justin 21:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion

I'd like to suggest a link to be included on the Long Beach page, under maps. www.longbeachcamap.com. I'm not going to add it in myself because I am the co-owner of the publication (so my opinion admittedly is subjective!), but if you think it useful and relevant, please feel free to put it in.Lbmap 21:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC) lbmap

By owner, I am guessing that you are probably a franchisee of discoverymap.com. I checked out the website. It's cuter than the average local directory, but being flash-based, it is much, much slower if your using a dial-up connection (keep in mind that the Wikipedia has an international audience, many of which are still have dial-up connections). And if I used your map as my guide, Long Beach ends at Carson Blvd., so you don't include Rancho Los Cerritos. I won't even go into your hit-or-miss restaurant guide which is probably based upon paid inclusion. In my judgement, your website does not have any reason for inclusion as an external link to an encyclopedia article. I'd suggest you look at Wikitravel and World66 as possibly appropriate websites. ^Blank ^Verse 10:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for taking a look - your points are well taken. Lbmap 18:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Nickname

Suggest deleting nicknames from the banner. If these are some sort of official slogans, it should say that. Gaohoyt 22:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I know "The Beach" is a nickname of CSULB, but is it also a nickname of the city of Long Beach? Alanraywiki 03:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Removing "the Beach" from infobox. --Justin 19:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Diversity

The introduction stated Long Beach is the most diverse large city in the US, but forgot to include other facts. Many white ethnic groups like Irish, Scottish, Dutch, Danes, Italians, Portuguese, Greeks and Armenians build Long Beach in the early 20th century. Their families came to the city's oceanic fishing and canning industries settled in Long Beach, but most of them migrated outside the city since the 1960's. Back in the great depression, Long Beach was a destination for "Okies" from states affected by the dust bowl found better paying jobs in factories and docks other than at the farms or fields. Asians from China, Korea, the Philippines and South Asia, as well Pacific Islanders from Hawaii and Samoa moved to Long Beach formed distinct sections of their own, like I recalled the sight of Korean language signs on storefronts on Lakewood Blvd. by the Long Beach airport. The city's large Hispanic population is largely Mexican (some are Mexican American) and Central American, but includes South Americans from Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Ecuador and Colombia, makes Long Beach have one of the largest South American communities in the US. Please add the entries to a new paragraph: Diversity, since it's too long for the introduction. + Mike D 26 15:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Long Beach used to be a very 'white-bread' community except for specific pockets of African-Americans and Japanese, and used to be known as "Iowa by the Sea". What is interesting about modern-day Long Beach that athough there is the business corridor of Little Phnom Penh, there really aren't large ethnic enclaves like you can find elsewhere in the Los Angeles area. Pacific-Islanders, for example, are spread all over the South Bay/Long Beach area. I've been planning to add more on this, probably as a subtopic under the Demographics section, but some of the information that I want to add I can't find online, so it'll have to wait until I get the chance to go to the downtown LB library.

As far as your beginning about the European ethnic groups, you'll have to provide references for that. There were many areas of Southern California that have had European ethnic concentrations (Dutch in Cerritos, Germans in Anaheim, Portuguese in Artesia), but I don't think that Long Beach has ever had any large concentrations, or any ethnic enclaves, of European ethnic groups. ^Blank ^Verse 16:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Diversity is diversity, yeah ethnic and racial are two separate meanings (and both carried a politically charged meaning). We should use the term "cultural and national" diversity, in order to be specific in the many origins of people in Long Beach. The World book encyclopedia in 1975 is where I got the ethnic/racial ancestry source, mind you. Yes, the information has changed in 30 years, but never forget that historical overview of Long Beach was a major port for immigration from around the world. +

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Spanish are 0.5% in the 2000 census? I believe it's a misstatement and demographers should take note of the community had a history of Spanish and other immigration. I'm sure they meant European Spanish other than "Spanish-American", but in California the very meaning of "Spanish" is those colonial settlers in 1840's when the region belonged to Mexico (see Californio). The data came from the 1975 World Book encyclopedia, but didn't detail the percentage of Long Beach's population. It's obvious the L.A. area like Long Beach was the "Iowa of the sea" or "Iowa under palm trees" until the 1970s when Asian and Latin American immigration changed the older sections of Long Beach (you mentioned the Cambodian community, plenty of sources on that).+

Hello, I borrowed your anonymous i.p. to leave my opinion on the matter on Long Beach's history of races, culture, whatever to call it.

The US census, local history books and the World Book have different answers...1975 is old, get new sources please or you look like a pervasive vandal.

I can speak for it: I'm the eldest daughter of portugese parents from the Azores (1965) from south bay, but I seen my home town (Not Long Beach, but repeated in L.A. beach cities) changed and people come or go in time.

The page on racial diversity is about persons of color and other continents, not ethnic groups (sorry you're confused), Long Beach is perfect to raise a family and find work, just like my Mama and Papa did.

Usually like most of my neighbors' children...they assimilated, married to other groups and relocated to new homes, you find most Spanish, portugese, Italian, greek etc. in other towns.

Long Beach like older US cities is where immigrants start new lives before they move on. The article is correct on the festivities by locals embrace diversity of many countries they come from.

I predict Cambodian Americans (refers to the 2nd generation) won't reside in one area, but soon the Cambodians spread out the L.A. area and predominate in another county, I think is a good thing to seek new opportunities.

I wanted to make a note of North Long Beach/Bixby Knolls aren't Black areas, more racial groups live there, and on the Korean signs in the Rancho Los Cerritos area, not only Koreans live there but drive to their jobs here.

The city experienced a renaisance and no longer I can afford to live in south bay (this has to do with Long Beach, but seen it in san Pedro, Palos verdes and seal Beach in Orange county). Long Beach's coastal sections are generally homes of upscale couples and retired people too.

I hope to clear the issue and Mike D, don't be lazy next time you want to edit the page. Bye.- Patricia :-)

Sorry to BV and Pat, I admit my own haste and waste. Before I make new edits on any subject, maybe I will research it FIRST. Is that alright with you two? Of course, BV each ethnic group composes a small percentage of the city population, but I just said if you compare the amount of one group's portion to a local piopulation composite to other major cities. 5 percent of group A in city X is a higher percentage than .5 percent of group A in city Y, or group B in the same city is 1 percent, but being more numerous than others for group B is negligible (too small to actually count). Let's not argue or assume who's right or wrong, the issue is resolved and I admitted my mistakes. + Mike D 26 09:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Mike D 26: I don't know why you would think there should be more Spanish in Long Beach than what the US Census reported. By the time that Willmore City/Long Beach was developed, the local ranchos had been in the hands of Anglos for a couple of decades, so there were not many Californios in the area [The city is roughly the opposite of some place like San Juan Capistrano, California—I had a friend in college who was a sixth generation Californian from SJC who traced her family back to the early Spaniards in the area].

Furthermore, as I pointed out on your talk page using US Census data, Long Beach has generally not been a place for direct European emmigration. Until the late 60's, when the Long Beach City Council made some misguided land use decisions, Long Beach had some inexpensive but not cheap, areas, so immigrants were much more likely to go to the Harbor Area where there was cheaper housing, plus churches and other groups that helped new emmigrants.

I also gave you the US Census link to their Hispanic page, so that you could do the math yourself. Keep in mind that all the US Data is self-reported, so you get confusing results like having both a Spaniard and Spanish category. [3]

Just to give you an idea of how assumptions can fool anyone: You might think, because there is a Greek Orthodox Church in Long Beach, that there would be plenty of Greeks in Long Beach, but the census reports only 0.4%. However, when you go to the church's Greek Festival, you can find out when you read their festival guide and look at the advertising for the event's sponsors, that the church draws people from a very large semicircle that includes the South Bay, Gateway Cities, and North Orange County. What that means for Long Beach is that there is a single very small Greek store near the church, and only two Greek restaurants in town (that I know of) that are mainly patronized by non-Greeks. ^Blank ^Verse 13:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, please people. Before adding in your beliefs and assumptions of racial diversity and demographics, why not look them up? There's a wealth of referential information gathered on this topic.--Loodog 15:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Long Beach stakes a claim to Umberto, the first nationally known Italian fashion store, to introduce the style to celebrity culture and his business goes back 50 yrs. Long Beach could well been like Toronto, Canada, another North American city known for its WASP character and its downtown/harbor had ethnicities from around the world to first enter, then to reside throughout the country. + 71.102.7.77 (talk) 09:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Image:Long Beach, CA at night.jpg

Can anyone identify some details in this image? What is the large body of water in front, the Pacific? And the bridge on the left side? Part of the 710? This is downtown, is it not? Thanks. howch e ng {chat} 00:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

It looks like the photo may have been taken from the bow of the RMS Queen Mary looking roughly northwest. The bridge is the Queensway Bay Bridge, and the body of water is Queensway Bay (just a fancy name for the mouth of the Los Angeles River. The red light in the center is probably the back side of the Aquarium of the Pacific, and off to the far left is the multi-storey parking structure for the new Pike at Rainbow Harbor. The 2nd and 3rd tall buildings (counting from the left) are (I think) the two World Trade Center Buildings. The lower building near the east end of the bridge is probably the CSU Chancellor's Office. I wish I could remember which building is the tallest one in the picture, but I've paid very little attention to the highrises in Long Beach. The photo is of downtown Long Beach, but it's really only of the westernmost touristy waterfront part of downtown. ^Blank ^Verse 04:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm scheduling this image for another round of POTD and I wanted to have a better caption that its first time around. howch e ng {chat} 08:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

sources?

There is not a single source in this article. I threw source tags all over the article, but as it stands any information IN THE WHOLE ARTICLE is liable to be deleted.--Loodog 15:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Added first reference for the Census Bureau's 2005 American Community Survey population count, replacing the silly inflated estimate from some unsourced realtor's website. Demographics section still needs to be updated to 2005 numbers where available. Long way to go still. --Justin 19:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, citation needed re: CSULB "largest publicly funded art school west of the Mississippi". In the west, that's a large claim to make uncited. UCLA is pretty big and certainly better known, but I'd also like to know on what basis "largest" is determined. It should be specific: is it square footage, number of facilities, number of majors, number of graduate students, etc.Bmccarren 02:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Largest US city not administrative center of second tier government

I removed the claim that "Long Beach is the largest U.S. city that is not a county seat." Both Baltimore and Washington DC are larger, and neither is a county seat, because neither lies in a county (Baltimore is an independent city and is not part of Balitmore County, and DC is not subdivided into counties at all). Although it would be correct to state that "Long Beach is the largest U.S. city that is in a county of which it is not county seat," that may not be sufficiently noteworthy to warrant inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.95.170.233 (talk • contribs) 13:16, 25 June 2007

Well, it would be noteworthy if it could be sourced, as I hope it can be. Your point about Baltimore and Washington is a bit of a nitpick, as logically such cities as New Orleans (which was larger than Long Beach in 2000, but is probably smaller now) are not county seats, either-- Louisiana and Alaska are likewise without counties, and the term "county seat" is without present governmental meaning in Connecticut (and has been since 1960). But I find this designation interesting, as there are other large cities (Jackson, Mississippi, St. Petersburg, Florida) which are supplanted by other places in their respective counties as the "county seat". Perhaps "largest US city not administrative center of second tier government" would work as a precise term, though again we'll need to find a source. (And even then, the source will probably say something about "county seat"... can't win for losing!) -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, here's something interesting: This discussion suggests that Kansas City, Missouri is another example of this phenomenon, and the wiki article for KC makes the claim, "Kansas City [is] the largest city which is not a county seat." We really do need a source, I think. -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I always say that Long Beach is the largest city which is not the seat of its own county. This conveys the same information and is correct in all technical respects. StevenE365 (talk) 08:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Coming soon: article section shuffle

WikiProject Cities has a nice template article structure, with some thought behind it. Since our article looks to have been pieced together at random, I'm going to rearrange the sections. Here's my proposed format, open for discussion before I make the change.

History (no change)
Geography
- Climate
- Environment
- Neighborhoods
Demographics (no change)
Economy (move existing Business section here)
- Shipping and transportation
- Film
  - The early silent film industry in Long Beach (dubious of this section, probably only need a sentence or so under economy - most of it is written about areas "near" Long Beach, and the early actors could move into the notable natives/residents section)
  - The current film industry in Long Beach (the second paragraph from this section could be moved elsewhere - into neighborhoods and sites of interest)
Government (section needed; put links to mayors and lbpd here instead of "see also")
Education (no change)
Sites of interest
- Parks and recreation
Media
Culture
- Art
- Music
- Theater
- Events (to include...)
  - Multicultural events
  - Parades
  - Other cultural events
  - Beauty contests from existing Misc section
Sports (move section to root level, to match other city articles)
Notable natives and residents
References (no change - need more of these)
External links (no change)

Your thoughts? --Justin 21:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I just stopped by this article while doing some editing on The Pike and I thought it needed to be cleaned up just so it is easier to find things. Also, this article is really long (69,000 -- 32,000 is considered long) you might want to think about identifying parts of the article that could be put into a separate one. Once you start moving things around you will probably think of others ways things can be streamlined. Good luck!--Tinned Elk 22:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. Now to get out the pruning shears and dig out all those crappy spam URLs. As it stands, this article could be called 'List of potential customers in long beach'. --Justin 00:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Restoration of Culture Section

While I agree that a clean-up needs to be done, as many sections are a bit long and not well-written, I disagree with removing the culture section and have restored it. After looking at many other city articles, they all make mention of their cultural attributes (museums, symphonies, theaters, etc). A strong and diverse arts and cultural inventory is a key factor in a mature and diverse city. Besides, the editor who removed the section saw fit to leave in references to the local rugby team and sailing instructional center, and while I'm not advocating removing those references, I feel the LB Symphony, MoLAA, LB Municipal Band, etc., are certainly at least as important and relevant to the life and fabric of the city as a whole.

I reiterate that I feel the section (and the article as a whole) needs cleanup and tightening. But it does not need removal and have therefore restored it. I'm happy to discuss further. Dtcomposer 00:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Los Cerritos, Long Beach, California

I just created Los Cerritos, Long Beach, California. Only a few more neighborhoods to go before there is an article on each one. JohnABerring27 (talk) 18:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

South Los Angeles, CA

Someone on that article keeps adding Long Beach to a list of communities that belong to South Los Angeles (formerly South Central). This is not accurate.--Parkwells (talk) 21:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Sex Offender Registration Information

I had created a rather comprehensive sex offender registration information section in the Miscellaneous section. Long Beach became the first city in California that has created restrictions for all sex offenders, and in fact has created several ordinances. As it is the first major city to actually have such ordinances on the books in California, and may be the battleground for such constitutionality for the entire state, I felt it important enough to include of its own merit.

However, I would like to request some assistance on the posting of such information. Other states such as Georgia and Florida have greater restrictions with harsher consequences. But because of the ambiguity of the California state law coupled with the fact that Long Beach has actively put something on the books, I feel this is a notable inclusion into the city information. Also, I don't think this should be a "criminal" issue, as much of an overall "quality of life" issue...thoughts? OH, one other thing, just noticed that the city standardization format is being discussed. I don't see a place for crime or city security; perhaps "demographics"? Storac (talk) 03:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

fifth or sixth most populated city in CA

which is it? there are varying sources here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.187.212 (talk) 12:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Fresno is slowly overtaking Long Beach for fifth place. I found a recent source and updated the article. --Justin (talk) 13:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

The California Department of Finance still has Long Beach at number five for 2008, slightly more than Fresno (see List of cities in California (by population)). The DoF also shows an estimate with Long Beach larger in 2007, compared to the Census showing an estimate with Fresno larger that year. This may be a case where you stick with the 2000 decennial census and address the updates in the demographics section. Alanraywiki (talk) 14:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, good point. I'll clean up my 2007 changes. And it's Long Beach by a neck... go Long Beach! --Justin (talk) 19:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

well, someone still decided to change it back to sixth anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.187.212 (talk) 23:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Clean up in Sports section

Where to begin. I seriously suggest someone omit the "Pep Flag" portion from the sports section from this article. It has no citations, seeing how there are over 60 different "National" titles for Cheerleading, and, not to mention the links included do not link to relevant pages. The roller derby portion as well, reads like an advertisement, has no citations, and tops the "Sports" section. There is also no mention of the Semi-professional hockey team that used to play in Long Beach and was a conduit for many future NHL stars, let alone a link to the article. Shocuda (talk) 09:15, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Aerial Photo

I have posted a wonderful picture of ALL of Long Beach, that I took while flying out of LGB at the top area of the Long Beach page. I feel this is a far better photo to show ALL of Long Beach and have again replaced the picture that someone posted of a street and trees in Long Beach. I am working on all the Southern California Costal Cities to provide a perspective that is able to show more then some trees and buildings. WPPilot 20:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by WPPilot (talk • contribs)

Once again a photo of trees, a road and a building, was used to replace the Aerial photo of Long Beach. The SKYLINE photos I have taken represent the ENTIRE CITY OF LONG Beach, and clearly show it. The photo offered by : is of some trees a street and building and I feel do not promote the "City of Long Beach", just some palm trees and a street. I have replaced the photo and has asked the user to stop and discuss it here. 00:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC) User:WPPilot|WPPilot]] (talk • contribs)

In my opinion, either of the two shots of the skyline at dusk/night in the article should be in the infobox. The two aerial photos (and we only need one) do not show the detail that the skyline from the water gives, and the street photo does not show enough of the city. Alanraywiki (talk) 05:13, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Of the pictures on the page, I think I like File:LongBeachLongView.jpg best. Jordan Brown (talk) 21:43, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I have reverted a edit that posted a rather busy photo of a number of areas in Long Beach. It was too busy and looked too much like a scanned postcard WPPilot 02:13, 27 January 2011 (UTC) WPPilot (talk • contribs)

Photo for infobox

As of now the photos being considered for candidacy to be place in the infobox are the montage up now and the photo that will no doubt appear when a user chooses to revert the image to a concrete mess that poorly displays Long Beach. My logic is that the photo should be a montage as it has a relatively large population (comparable to Miami), and other large cities in Southern California (Los Angeles and San Diego) have similar montages. If it is not to be between either of them, there are very good photos that display the skyline of Long Beach which could be chosen. However, I feel we need more than three opinions on this matter. 08OceanBeach SD (talk) 10:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I replaced the infobox photo with one of the montages, and moved the aerial photo to the "Geography" section. I think the montage accomplishes several things: it's a quick "snapshot" view of several things that distinguish LB from other places - the skyline, the cranes at the port, the Queen Mary, and the aquarium are all distinctively Long Beach. The aerial photo, while a good photo in its own right, doesn't show enough detail for an introductory view of the city. (And despite the claims of its author, that photo does not show the ENTIRE CITY, but just about a 12-square-block zone around the port/harbor.) I think the aerial photo is better suited to the Geography section, as a good illustration of LB's geography. Dohn joe (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I really liked the idea of creating a montage for Long Beach, and using photos that I have taken along with photos that I found in Wikimedia Commons, I made another one that I thought showcased sites of interests and local icons. Of course, I an open to changing it or reverting it back if there are objections, but I think it does a good job of showcasing the skyline, putting more emphasis on the Queen Mary than the previous montage, and showing off some of the unique local geography and cityscape. --Tisoy (talk) 17:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

It looks great! I might just suggest spacing the photos apart a little but more? Nice photos by the way. 08OceanBeach SD (talk) 06:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

New image needing placement

I'm not a regular at this article, so will leave it to others to place or not place this new image. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:04, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

City Council map

Here is a map

http://www.longbeach.gov/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=31593 - http://www.webcitation.org/6BrCPLyWZ

WhisperToMe (talk) 20:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Print

The "Print" section is way too long and has too many external links in the middle of the paragraph. This is an encyclopedia article, after all. 108.254.160.23 (talk) 01:35, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

ISO rating of fire department

The article says the fire department received a Class I rating, citing http://www.longbeach.gov/fire/ for the claim. However, that page does not mention the rating. I looked at an old copy on http://web.archive.org/web/20040820163939/http://www.longbeach.gov/fire/ and there was no mention then, either. I found http://www.lbreport.com/news/sep06/fdcla2.htm from 2006, which says the rating was lower, with one city council member agitating for an upgrade but city management advising against it. The same story says "for years, LB officials had routinely stated as a matter of civic pride that LB had a Class One ISO designation". I also found www.burrconsulting.com/lalafco/Gateway%20Adopted%20Final%20MSR.pdf from 2005, which states on the page numbered 144 (316th page of the PDF) that the rating was Class I. —rybec 01:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Structure

Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 16:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

It's fine with me. You did it the other day for Los Angeles, right? That turned out nicely.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:54, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Long Beach, California

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 08:08, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

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