Talk:Lloyd's of London (film)

Power was not the star

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Freddie Bartholomew was the star, despite only being in the first half hour. Power was completely unknown. (86.140.123.95 (talk) 01:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC))[reply]

It doesn't matter who was known or "unkown" prior to the film; the protagonist is the de facto star. Softlavender (talk) 01:24, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Freddie Bartholomew was the star, as well as the protagonist. (86.140.123.95 (talk) 01:28, 1 September 2018 (UTC))[reply]

Please provide a reliable source citation for those claims. Softlavender (talk) 01:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Power and Bartholomew played the same character in the film. I have the film on DVD - Bartholomew is billed as the star, while Power is listed as a supporting player. (86.140.123.95 (talk) 01:39, 1 September 2018 (UTC))[reply]

That's not a reliable source citation. Please provide a reliable source review of or discussion of the film that supports your changes. Softlavender (talk) 01:45, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the poster on the article page. Freddie Bartholomew was the star, the then-unknown Tyrone Power was only listed as a supporting actor. (86.140.123.95 (talk) 01:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC))[reply]

Sources ? - FlightTime (open channel) 01:48, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Um, the poster in the article??? You're assuming Power was the star simply because he became a major star later on. (86.140.123.95 (talk) 01:49, 1 September 2018 (UTC))[reply]

That's not a reliable source citation. Please provide a reliable source review of or discussion of the film that supports your changes. Softlavender (talk) 01:55, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a decidedly odd situation I've never encountered before, and I've worked on a ton of films. Bartholomew got top billing, but the plot revolves around Power's adult character. IMO, that makes Power the "star". Clarityfiend (talk) 03:17, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's a very very common situation: If a newcomer is starring, a famous actor gets top billing because that sells tickets, and the newcomer, who is the actual star, gets second billing. The IP is confusing billing order with starring role. Softlavender (talk) 03:22, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The AFI film catalog states that " This was Tyrone Power's first starring role",[1] and so does this TCM article about Lloyd's of London.[2] Clarityfiend (talk) 03:20, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bartholomew was the star of the film, even though Power had more screen time. Regardless, Bartholomew was not part of the supporting cast. (86.149.119.152 (talk) 11:19, 1 September 2018 (UTC))[reply]

You've already said that five times. It doesn't matter how many times you say it. You would need a WP:CONSENSUS before changing the article, and a reliable source article or review that substantiated that. If you are merely repeating yourself, that doesn't change anything, and in fact there is no point in responding to you. Softlavender (talk) 12:30, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Stars

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Even if Tyrone Power is regarded as the star, Freddie Bartholomew should not be listed as a supporting actor. (ManyMoonsoons (talk) 21:48, 14 September 2018 (UTC))[reply]

Please provide a reliable source that states he is a star. Softlavender (talk) 22:05, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He was by far the most famous member of the cast at the time (the biggest child star in the world after Shirley Temple) and played the main character. (ManyMoonsoons (talk) 22:26, 14 September 2018 (UTC))[reply]

That was true when the film was being made, but that does not mean he was the/a star of the film. See the discussion in the thread immediately above this one. Softlavender (talk) 23:35, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since Bartholomew had first billing and played the protagonist of the story he was clearly not a supporting actor. (ManyMoonsoons (talk) 14:07, 28 September 2018 (UTC))[reply]

Please see the thread above regarding confusing billing order with starring roles. Playing the protagonist as a child also does not equate to a starring role. Wikipedia follows reliable sources that are independent of the subject, not primary sources or original research. -- Softlavender (talk) 23:50, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]