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A fact from Live from Golgotha: The Gospel According to Gore Vidal appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 February 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Gore Vidal's novel Live from Golgotha has been called a "masterpiece of blasphemous vulgarity"?

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"the voluminous Christ"? Should this be "voluble"? Deipnosophista (talk) 17:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

Hi all

It seems that this book does not have the title given here

All the catalogues, using the ISBN number given in the article, show the title as simply "Live from Golgotha"

Indeed I cannot find any catalogue that uses a longer title

Perhaps it needs moving? Chaosdruid (talk) 00:12, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Eddie891 (talk) 19:57, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Gore Vidal's novel Live from Golgotha has been called a "masterpiece of blasphemous vulgarity"? Source: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/1992/12/mr-universe-199212

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Azari or the Ancient Language of Azerbaijan

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 05:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC).[reply]

5x expansion starting Jan 17 confirmed. Article appears to be policy compliant. Hook is short enough, accurate, sourced, and quite interesting. QPQ satisfied.

Problem: The opening paragraph is lifted directly from Amazon.com and this is done without quotation or attribution. The offending opening passage states: "Live from Golgotha: The Gospel According to Gore Vidal is a novel by Gore Vidal, an irreverent spoof of the New Testament. Told from the perspective of Saint Timothy as he travels with Saint Paul, the 1992 novel shifts in time as Timothy and Paul combat a mysterious hacker from the future who is deleting all traces of Christianity." The Amazon.com source (here) states: "The novel Live from Golgotha: The Gospel according to Gore Vidal is an irreverent spoof of the New Testament written by Gore Vidal. Told from the perspective of Saint Timothy as he travels with Saint Paul, the 1992 novel shifts in time as Timothy and Paul combat a mysterious hacker from the future who is deleting all traces of Christianity." This will need to be resolved before the hook can be promoted. Cbl62 (talk) 20:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cbl62, This sentence dates to the first version of our article in 2006: [1]. Internet Archive has a copy of Amazon page from 2013 which does not use this description: [2]. It seems reasonable to conclude that Amazon copied it from us, probably using some bot. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying. That's persuasive. Good to go. Cbl62 (talk) 12:11, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Piotrus I came by to promote this but have a few comments on the article. 'New Testament' is only mentioned in the (unsourced) lede sentence, and if you're gonna call it an "irreverent spoof", "Irreverent" should probably be used somewhere else in the article other than the first sentence. You also don't cite its publication date of September 1, 1992 or that Random House published it (although the ISBN can probably cite the Random House publisher, it doesn't mention a specific date according to worldcat). Also, the plot summary is super long, could it maybe be condensed? Cheers, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:36, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Eddie891, Thank you for the comments. I'll note that the lead is the remains of the article before I expanded it, penned by User:AaronCBurke (inactive now?) back in 2006 - but it seems factually correct. New Testament is mentioned in sources ex. [3] or [4], but it seems self-explanatory. As in, life of Jesus is described in NT, so it's a bit like asking for a reference that the book warrants inclusion in a category 'Novels based on the Bible' or such (I did add the hyperlink to NT to the plot summary). The term "irreverent spoof" seems like a reasonable description given the quoted and referenced descriptions (in fact the term spoof is used by one of the sources). So for this, I'd like to invoke Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue :) For date 1992 and RH, I added a citation. Regarding the plot summary, it is long but I don't think that's a problem - plot summaries of similar size are generally common, and what needs to happen is for the other sections to grow. But that's I think is for editors aiming for GA and such, and shouldn't be of much concern for us at the DYK stage? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:58, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks for addressing everything, looks good. Yeah, I just flagged everything I saw-- it didn't all need to be resolved for DYK. This now seems fine to be promoted to me, at least -- Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:59, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]