Talk:Liv Tyler/Archive 1

Archive 1

Links

As discussed with Yamla, I am re-adding the link to lovelylivtyler.com. Liv doesn't have an official website, and lovelylivtyler is probably as close as it gets. Some examples that it's supported by Liv include a Q&A with her, an interview with her mother, and two thank-you notes.

On another note, the link to NNDB doesn't seem like a good idea to me as it's not a good resource. For example, the birthplace listed there is wrong. I think it should be removed. Shlomi Hillel 17:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Backwards discography?

• Isn't it supposed to go earliest-to-latest?

No- they do it the way it is. I'm just getting tired of people coming in here and messing with this page. They get it wrong and make it read mean and awful. Calling Liv illegitimate?????? How wrong that is! Aerocrew- May 26, 2007

She is illegitimate, though, isn't she? Her parents weren't married! 210.50.56.75 (talk) 02:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Not anymore. She legally carries her father's lastname now. Though she was born out of wedlock. --::semper fidelis:: 17:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fleurbutterfly (talk • contribs)

Picture

Is it absolutely necessary to put such a ridiculous picture of her here? I suggest a change, or at least an addition - a second picture. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shade.s3 (talk • contribs) 07:03, January 4, 2006 (UTC)

What's ridiculous about it? I think she looks lovely, and it's nice to have an image of actors and actresses out-of-character on their pages. But if you've got a picture you prefer, feel free to add it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the current picture looks HORRIBLE Drinel 02:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...

Could Liv be considered multiracial like her father?Just a thought.--Happycat93 01:56, 19 April 2006 (UTC)Happycat93

Without a source, it cannot be said. Michael 06:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Race, multi-race, irrelevant. It's of some relevance what her specific heritage is, but not ecause it's "multi"-anything-- just because that's where her roots are.

161.98.13.100 17:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Height

Yamla recently put a {{fact}} tag on the mention of Liv's height (5' 10"). A Google search for "Liv Tyler height" provides numerous citations, but the vast majority of them seem to be from various "celeb" sites, and I wasn't sure which were the most reliable. I chose the "lovelylivtyler.com" site just because that already had a link on this page, so I suppose it's already been vetted (?). The 5'10" height is also at IMDb, but I know that IMDb can be erroneous sometimes so I wasn't sure if it was the best site to use. It's not that I doubt the 5'10" height, just that I'm not sure which reference is the best to use. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Birth place

Is there still uncertainty about where Liv was born? There is some confusion because she was brought up in Portland, Maine, but in fact, she WAS born in New York city (at Mt. Sinai hospital). Sources? Liv mentions it herself here: http://www.lovelylivtyler.com/info/q_and_a/november_2003/ Also in this interview from 2002: http://www.newyorkmetro.com/shopping/articles/02/fallfashion/alexandermcqueen/index.htm And finally, her mother says so in this article from 1994: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3364/media.htm That's all I could find now - but there is no doubt that she was indeed born in NY and not in Portland.

Mother's ancestry

Does anyone have a good source that her mother is of French descent? (I don't mean the IMBD - something like an interview, etc.) Mad Jack O'Lantern 21:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The source you linked to is a trivia website that copies the IMDB's trivia... sorry to be like that, but it's not really a good source. Something like an interview/article where Tyler was personally involved in is a good source. Mad Jack O'Lantern 21:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure somewhere her mother has stated something. Look into that. Michael 03:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, she doesn't really mention it in her book. Although I seem to remember she mentioned she came from a Catholic family. I personally kind of doubt she is French - maybe distantly or something - but I just don't know. Mad Jack 06:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, we need someone to look for a definite answer as to Buell's heritage in that case. Michael 07:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it is your responsibility, Michael, to find the citation if you want this information added. That said, I have Ms. Buell's email address. I could send her an email and ask whether she considers herself and her daughter French Americans. I could post her response, hiding the email address. The problem with this is that I'm not sure it would count as verifiable and may even fall victim to WP:NOR. --Yamla 13:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Yamla, actually, I have tried to locate a source on this, and I have been incapable of finding anything on the matter, so I think it's perfectly relevant to ask others to attempt this due to the fact that my efforts have been fruitless. Perhaps someone knows of where such information might be found. It's important to ask people if they know of such a source if we, ourselves, cannot find one. Michael 22:42, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Lol, I'd be curious to know if they have any French ancestry at all. Mad Jack 00:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

You must not have read what I wrote correctly... "Lol, I'd be curious to know if they have any French ancestry at all". By "They" I of course meant Ms. Buell and her daughter, not Michael. :) Mad Jack 00:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

LOL, sorry...Indeed, I would not doubt that they probably do based off of the last name and all, but it would be nice to be able to put this, thus necessitating a source. Yamla, if you can, it would be good of you to email her, nonetheless. If she's not, then we can just let the question die. Michael 02:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I sent an email to Bebe Buell. It's entirely possible she won't answer (she certainly does not owe me an answer) but if she does, I'll post a subpage and note it here. --Yamla 02:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Yamla! Michael 03:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks (but with no exclamation mark) Mad Jack 04:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I am told that Bebe says something about it in her book. At any rate, she is not French, but German. Bebe's mother is from German ancestry while her father is British. Shlomi Hillel 18:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide more ifnromation on this book or a specific citation so we can add it to the article? Michael 05:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

A ha! I just knew the French stuff was more IMDB baloney (what isn't these days?) But yes, let's wait for a citation. Mad Jack 05:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't have the book myself (I'm referring to "Rebel Heart" by Bebe Buell), but I was told by a very good source that Bebe's mother is German and her father is British. I for one trust this source completely and moreover, it is "verifyable", only I can't be the verifier... I guess it's the same as the birth place controversy (ask Yamla). I don't mind personally if you're going to say anything at all about her ancestry, but if you're saying something about her Steven's, might as well say something about Bebe too... By the way, Yamla, did you get any reply from Bebe? Shlomi Hillel 17:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone access the source? Michael 03:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't know if it's on the father side or mother side, but I think Liv Tyler is part Norwegian.

You "think"? Do you have a source for this, because it does not appear to be so on either side? Michael 04:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

It's the whole "Liv" thing, but yeah, it was probably just a fluke name thing. Mad Jack 07:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

What? Michael 07:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Liv is said to be a Norwegian name, therefore people assume that someone in her family ought to be Norwegian. Mad Jack 08:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see...That's really a stretch. Michael 08:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Well I did not say they were particularly bright people who assumed that. Mad Jack 08:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm surprised they looked up the origins of the name "Liv". Michael 08:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

• July 28, 2007

Liv's mother's roots are German (mother's side) and English (father's side). It says so in her bio "Rebel Heart". I think people assume "French" because she has a French name, "Bebe", which means Baby in French. The same as people thinking Liv is Norwegian because she has a Norwegian name. In Bebe's book it tells the story of her reading an article about the Swedish actress Liv Ullman in a TV Guide while she was pregnant and falling in love with the name. She also said if Liv had been a boy they would have named him "Leif". Also, that last trivia add on Liv's page about Evan Dando was excellent and true! User:Aerocrew

Why exactly would anyone care whether Liv's mother's ancestors were French, German, Chinese, or Hatian? Is she seeking some ancient throne? Trying to figure out which genetic testing is appropriate? Is Hitler in the room? Unless someone can explain and justify this obsession, I would suggest deleting every reference to her ancestry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thefactis (talk • contribs) 03:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I deleted that sentence as promised. Somebody named Dudesleeper undid the change, construing what I had done as deleting a whole parragraph without explanation. Care to elaborate?Thefactis (talk) 01:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Picture removed

One of the pictures in this article was removed. See page history here. Carcharoth 17:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you have another one? Scorpionman 20:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Good-article candidate

I'm a little amused that the person who has edited the article a few times over the last two days suddenly believes the article is a GAC. Must be one of the shortest articles to be nominated. - Dudesleeper / Talk 09:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you not see it as GA potential? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Personal Life

Only her biological father is italaian that should be clarified. Her father growing up was Todd Rudgren who is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.136.2.158 (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

what evidence is there to support russian/ukranian descent?

i don't see how she falls into any of those categories, can anyone illuminate?Anatoly.bourov (talk) 20:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

"a brief hiatus"?

What does this mean? Please define and source this. Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 14:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Taking a break from acting. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Discovering Tyler

There's a discrepancy in the article concerning Tyler's age when she discovered Steven Tyler was her father. The article says "Tyler discovered her true parentage at age nine", with two references, one to a People bio timeline [1] and one to Hello Magazine profile [2]. The problem is that People states that she was introduced to Steven Tyler in 1986, but not as her father, and she didn't figure it out until 1988 when she saw her sister at a concert. Hello said she figured it out for herself at age 10. The next sentence says "She discovered that she was Steven Tyler's daughter after meeting him and noticing a resemblance she shared with his other daughter, Mia", with the People source (fine), and with a Daily Telegraph source saying "But when Liv was 11 years old, Steven Tyler appeared at a Todd Rundgren concert and ran into mother and daughter. Just from looking at him - at his face and his hands, the way he picked his cuticles - she figured out for herself who her father was." So the problem is, none of the sources say it was age 9, one gives a year but not the date to indicate her age, one says 10 and one says 11. I'm clearly not sure what it should read in the article here, but it does need to be determined, because the article isn't right based on the sources. I'm thinking perhaps it should just 1988? Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure about 11, but it's definitely not when she was 9. I found two articles, one from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the other from the Daily News of Los Angeles, they are both now archived, but I have access to NewsBank and this is what the St. Louis one says:

Liv seems shockingly sane for someone with her background. Her mother is Bebe Buell, a '70s groupie who had a five-year relationship with [Todd] Rundgren before hooking up with [Steven] Tyler in 1977. Buell was a Ford model and a Playboy centerfold about whom another former boyfriend, Elvis Costello, wrote the song "Party Girl."

Buell did not want Liv to know that Tyler was her father because he had a druggie history. With Rundgren's compliance, they pretended that he was Liv's father. The hoax lasted until Liv was 10 and met Tyler at one of Rundgren's concerts. She realized because of the striking physical resemblance that he really was her father.

Daily News,

The similarity is Tyler's discovery at age 10 that the man she thought was her father - rocker Todd Rundgren - wasn't.

Buell and Rundgren had broken up before Liv was conceived but later reconciled, and Rundgren raised her as his own daughter. She met Steve Tyler at a rock concert and finally discovered just where she had gotten those large lips and chiseled cheeks.

I'll see if I can find a couple more. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 06:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Worldwide recognition?

This heading is very dubious. It is true that she had part in LOTR I--III, which were box-office successes; however, neither here nor later have I seen anything that justifies "worldwide recognition". I note that the part was not all too large, and that the article makes no particular claims about Tyler, herself, that would justify the heading.

I am also somewhat skeptical to the claims of "Critical success" in the previous heading, having always found her acting to be sub-average (too affected or too woody, lacking in depth, no charisma beyond her looks), but will take the references at face value. 188.100.205.226 (talk) 10:37, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah, well, I'm not guessing you're a critic, and that is what is being discussed there. And for worldwide recognition, doubting that is POV too. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:16, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Vegan?

Is there a real reference to Liv Tyler as a vegan? All I can find are interview in which she states to eat meat and fish. I think she used to be (when she dated Joaquin Phoenix), but that's over. I'd like to remove her from the "Vegan"- category. Objections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.50.10.206 (talk) 18:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Perhaps if you looked in the article, you'd find it. Wildhartlivie (talk) 19:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

If you are referring to refernce no. 78: her name doesn't even appear in that link. Searching the site, all I found was :"Famous people who have said they are vegetarian include:... Liv Tyler,.." That is not a source. Look at that: http://www.lovelylivtyler.com/articles/int197.php Quote: "For lunch I ate a lot of chicken and pasta." There are plenty of interviews with her, in which she states to loose weight by eating chicken and fish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.50.9.79 (talk) 22:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

New Image

There's a new images of Liv Tyler:

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I think you could replace the picture in infobox with that picture. The old picture was shot in 2008 and this was took in 2012. --37.105.41.206 (talk) 14:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

No, thank you. The 2008 picture is superior and shows her at the bloom of her career. It also enjoys the support of the community as the long-standing infobox picture. However, one of those pictures above has been added lower in the text, so thank you for your suggestion. --Mareklug ^talk 06:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

In the First picture Her face is not clear, The Second picture is better to put them in Infobox. The difference is clear.

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  First picture
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  Second picture

I see the first picture place is not in the Infobox. It is also best to put a picture close to her face. And not to her body and also the colors and cropping in the second picture Is the best so far. This is the opinion.

Comment. This is a good article, and the picture in the infobox should be newer than that. Please do not change the image, but when we see the opinion of other users. Thanks. --Oz Steps (talk) 16:32, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

I suggest you no longer revert my restoring the 2008 picture. There is no consensus for putting the 2012 dark picture in the infobox. Why don't you first convince the editors that you are reverting that the dark picture should be used in place of the good picture from 2008. --Mareklug ^talk 17:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

• Comment The quality of Tyler in the blue dress is of obvious better quality and should be the lead image, but maybe it could do some good to crop out more out of the lower half of her body. Regards, — Moe Epsilon 17:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

• The 2008 is technically a better photo, and still representative of the subject. I don't think the newer picture is an improvement moogsi^(blah) 18:03, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

• I've put this image cropping with amazing colors, looks better than show her body.

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  cropping

Regards.--77.31.172.25 (talk) 18:47, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, but her body does not offend me, and your crop is excessive. The 2008 original is more interesting and informative as a photograph. I suggest you get more support for your new proposal. I am against it. --Mareklug ^talk 18:58, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

What's going on here, this picture is old, about 5 years ago, and the face of Liv Tyler look younger in age. If allowed Mareklug, you are the only shareholder that you change the image newest to oldest. The current picture in the infobox is older! We need newer one, you understand that? --Oz Steps (talk) 11:30, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

We use the best picture as the lead picture in the infoboxes. For example, in Audrey Hepburn we use a WP:Featured Picture that is black and white and depicts here at an early stage in her professional career. We are not using a picture of her as an old woman. Ditto for Liv Tyler. Our best picture, in terms of esthetics, light, color, and over all informational value, as well as depicting Liv Tyler AT THE HEIGHT OF HER CAREER is that picture. We have no better picture, and the picture you uploaded in the summer of 2012 and then surreptitiously inserted in all the Wikipedias -- is not the best picture, and in fact, it is a very bad picture. It may be used in the article later on, or perhaps one of the other three is a better choice. They are all too dark and Liv Tyler looks terrible in it, as it is a low-quality photograph. I would also like to point out, that aside from me, other editors have been removing your pictures of Liv Tyler, and no one has been putting them back except for you, whether you are logged in or editing anonymously. Also, I note that the very large fraction of your edits is edit-warring over pictures in infoboxes, where you constantly put a picture and others remove it and you revert. Nearly all your edits are uncommented (no edit summary) reverts of infobox pictures. This has got to stop. You are very likely to be judged to be a disruptive editor, and you are very close to being blocked indefinitely. You have cost me over 13 hours already of cleaning up after you on 49 different wikis. Please relent! Also, please notice that the discussion on this talk page on this issue has 3 editors against you and no one supporting you. I hope that causes you to reconsider you editing. --Mareklug ^talk 14:17, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Using just the surname

In the Early life section, there is a discussion about Liv Tyler's relationship with her biological father, Steven Tyler. There are multiple instances where the sentence says things like "According to Tyler..." and "Tyler said..." and "... in which Tyler starred". Seriously? WHICH TYLER? It is very very ambiguous to refer to a person as "Tyler" in a discussion about two different people who share the same surname. 41.133.77.62 (talk) 16:24, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Ancestry

Please add her ancestry on father's side: Italian, German, Polish, Russian and English. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/ive-got-a-crush-on-steven_b_797988.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.179.86.60 (talk) 11:16, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

She must be Jewish and not German. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.15.17.112 (talk) 18:29, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

==Chess player?== I have seen on Pinterest a pic of Liv Tyler playing chess - it seems to be a minor mixed chess tournament for amateur players. If Liv is really an amateur chess player, or if it was mostly an occasional photo, I dont know at this moment./StefanZ83.223.9.173 (talk) 10:21, 6 March 2018 (UTC)/StefanZ. Continuation. I saw again that photo in a youtubesequence, etc. Its not from an amateur tournament even if it looks so on the photo. She is having a friendly chat and analyse with the norwegian chess grandmaster Magnus Carlsen, a friend and collegue in business. In another place I saw Liv tells she does play some, she likes chess. But apparently not playing on any competitive level, sooner home chess. Still, may be worth mentioning./StefanZ83.223.9.173 (talk) 15:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)/StefanZ