Talk:Lists of Star Wars actors

Order

Order should be by episode, not year 99.242.171.148 (talk) 17:55, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely not. This should be in production order, as the subject (cast members) follows a real-world timeline, not an in-universe one. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree with the last commenter. Make it THREE --MaxamillionSmart (talk) 15:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

As to stay uninvolved, I am not commenting on the "correct" order - please do not edit war and remain civil in your discussions. I've reverted on this article for an unexplained removal of content, however the edit summary also constituted a personal attack, which will not be tolerated. If necessary, please seek dispute resolution Thank you -- samtar ^whisper 15:46, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Another dispute

@Cartoon Boy and MaxamillionSmart: There seems to be another dispute boiling away here - especially with Cartoon Boy's recent edit summary of Christ, can someone please give a reason for deletion, instead of just blindly reverting; Daniels performed the part in all films, etc. I've explained my changes countless times.. How can we move this forward in a way we can all agree on? -- samtar ^whisper 17:01, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

I didn't realize there was such a dispute going on & I really don't want to be a part of it. I only edited the page to add that Harrison Ford was gonna be in Episode 8 (source incl.). I didn't mean to get caught in the middle of this. Sorry :( Brucejoel99 (talk) 17:06, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry Brucejoel99, I just pinged the last couple of contributors so I could get a varied response - doesn't look like you're actually involved -- samtar ^whisper 17:19, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Just wanted to say that I'm am sorry for all of this; I've made corrections again; and made a few compromises. To be safe though, I'll list them here:

• Anthony Daniels physically performed the part in the suit in all films. This was pointed out by another editor. UPDATE: Upon further research, MaxamillionSmart was correct.
• Moved many minor Force Awakens characters to the Other section. This should be the correct place for them.
• Not enough information to definitively conclude Kylo Ren is a Solo; last time I checked the character article, there was a notice of this. And also, I believe common sense would indicate principal cast status; but for now, I'll leave it in the sequel trilogy section.
• Added a link to del Toro's confirmed casting for Episode VIII.
• Added link to First Order Officers.
• Dice Ibegon, and two others were not portrayed by actors but are puppets, and left blank; "Unidentified puppeteer" should be acceptable.
• Major sequel trilogy characters not yet confirmed for Episode IX; added TBA.
• Don't really need (Ben) in Kenobi's listing; just linked straight.
• Copied Anakin Skywalker sublisting to Darth Vader listing in spin-offs section.

Cartoon Boy (talk) 11:40, 25 December 2015 (TBA)

Protesting recent removal of Harrison Ford from Ep. VIII list; asking for opinions

Hey, Star Wars people.

I was wondering if anyone else finds it wrong that Orcson11 considers The Independent not to be a reliable source regarding Ford's confirmed return in Episode VIII? After all, The Independent is a legitimate national newspaper (in Britain). I could understand why a source like Inquistr or something similar wouldn't be considered reliable, but why a popularly trusted newspaper? Can someone help solve this dispute?

Thanks, Brucejoel99 (talk) 01:57, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

The problem is not in the publication, that being The Independent, but in the source for the article. The articles cited use "moviecastingcall", which has been proven time and time again throughout the production of The Force Awakens to be false. In addition, Lucasfilm Story Group Member and employee Pablo Hidalgo has continually discredited that website in various social media postings. Its entirely inaccurate to keep Ford's involvement on this page unless he is confirmed by Lucasfilm to be returning.

Thanks, Orcson11 (talk) 1:00, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2016

Please show cast members for Rogue One: A Star Wars Story. 47.18.141.221 (talk) 00:41, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: The article does not even have a referenced list of cast members associated with their characters yet. It may be a little too soon to add them to this list. Mz7 (talk) 05:58, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Unidentified actors

Is it really necessary to list characters whose actor is unknown? The primary aim of this article is to list cast members, not characters. For now i have removed characters that do not have any actors associated with them. If you disagree, let me know. :) Xpion (talk) 04:57, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Separating actors and voice actors

This article is becoming extremely messy. Some boxes are filled with so many names it's difficult to read. To alleviate this problem, may i suggest that characters with multiple portrayers, (i.e. Darth Vader) have a separate coloumn for physical and voice actors?? Xpion (talk) 06:21, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

@Xpion: This page is a complete mess, and random IPs are adding actors who i have idea are actually in Star Wars. I mean, is this article for actors that were in the main Star Wars series? Or is it an overarching umbrella for all films related to Star Wars? Boomer Vial^Holla 22:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Issues with thie article

I have come across mulitple issues with this article. I have tried my best to allieviate all of these problems, and give the article a general clean up. However there has been someone, insistently reverting my edits. As a result, I have listed all of the issues that this article has and how I attempt to solve them. As of now, I have revised the article, with all of my edits (but I suspect it may be reverted soon). Please look at and consider my concerns:

• First of all, it seemed to be forgotten that this is a list of cast members not a character list. As a result there where multiple characters that had been listed, that did not even have a performer attributed to them. There where tonnes of 'unidentified actors' listed on there, which is just not necessary for a page listing cast members. Characters with unknown performers can be listed on the separate character list.
• Secondly this page had massive inconsistencies. Some characters that were listed were so minor, no actors were known to have played them. Though, on the other hand several key characters, such as Lobot, Lando's Aide (played by John Hollis) and Captain Needa (played by Michael Culver), where missing. All of these actors were significantly featured and received credits, in the film (unlike many of the characters on the page). Dermot Crowley (who played Crix Madine), for instance, actually received billing in the end credits of A New Hope, yet was not listed on this article. This article was not at all consistent with which characters were listed. Almost every single patron of the Mos Eisley Cantina (all of which were uncredited) was listed in this article along with some of the most obscure members of the Max Rebo Band. Yet not a single member of Jabba's palace gang (most of whom did receive credit, as either a puppeteer or mime artist), nor any of the original bounty hunters in ESB were mentioned. I understand that since Star Wars is vast franchise, with vast extended universe, so it is understandable that more minor characters have more relevance than usual. I do not have a problem with more obscure characters being listed, but it should be consistent. I am not a against characters like the Mos Eisley Cantina patrons, being listed, as they have become rather iconic and revived expanded character arc but so is Jabba's palace, why do they not warrant recognition? (of particular note, none of Cantina patrons received on screen credit, yet most of Jabba's palace did.).
• In addition to these issues, there were several other issues. A list should be straight to the point and concise. This is difficult when tackling the complex casting of the Star Wars films, and the Special Edition changes. But they were not dealt with well. There was over use of parenthesis, with some reading, long wordy sentences like; '1997 Special Edition and Subsequent Editions' (some were even longer). There is no need to use this many words in a list. I changed this to a much shorter sentences like; '1997 onward' or 'Special edition onward'.
• In addition to this, I removed any characters that had no actors associated with them, and included significant missing characters (especially those who were credited).
• There was also an issue with attributing multiple portrayals for single characters. Some columns where getting so cluttered up with names (body doubles, stunt performers and voice dubs were all included), that it became almost impossible to read. One such example was Darth Vader. I attempted to alleviate the confusion by separating out different 'roles' in to their own columns. Darth Vader had 4 columns. The top listed the principal physical performer, i.e. Dave Prowse. The second listed the voice, James Earl Jones. The third and fourth mentioned any additional performers. One listed Bob Anderson (who played Vader in light-saber stunts) and the other listed actors who filmed additional scenes for the special editions. This appeared to be the most concise and clear way of presenting the information, showing the significance and tenure of each performer.
• Also, Kenny Baker is credited as only appearing in archive footage for Episode 3. This is not strictly true. Kenny Baker actually said that most of his work was on Episodes 1 & 2, but that he did do some work on Episode 3, even if it was very little. The only person who denies that Baker, filmed scenes for Episode 3, is Antony Daniels. While it may be possible, Baker is still listed in the credits as playing the role (unlike Episode 7, where he is credited as a 'consultant'), and there is no concrete evidence to prove he was not involved, so Baker should be mentioned as playing the role as normal.

Thank you for listening :) Xpion (talk) 01:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Xpion

@Xpion: I understand most of what you removed/corrected, but why did you remove Jonathan Oliver and Swee Lim? Also, should Artoo's radio controllers be removed? -CamelCase (Talk | Contribs) 19:47, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

@Camel Case: Sorry for slow reply.. I think Swee Lim and Jonathan Oliver were removed by mistake, sorry about that - I don't think I meant to remove them. I am not sure about R2's radio controllers. They are not strictly cast members but are functioning as 'puppeteers' (which are mentioned in this article) and are essentially 'performing' R2. Much of R2's screen time is taken up by the radio control and it could be argued that they are as important as Kenny Baker. For instance, in ROTS and TFA, R2 is almost entirely radio controlled. But I think, unless anyone feel strongly about them being mentioned, I think it is ok to leave them out. They are mentioned in R2's separate article anyway. So maybe it would be best to leave them out. If anyone thinks otherwise, then we can discuss it further in the talk page? :) -Xpion (Talk | Contribs) 17:57, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't include the because, among other things, I've never seen anyone count them as actors outside of this page. So it seems like original research. Not quite the same thing as original research, but too original for this site. CamelCase (Talk | Contribs) 22:14, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

I'd actually be more inclined to keep Yoda's puppeteers, because they're actually listed in the credits. CamelCase (Talk | Contribs) 20:24, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Larry Ward (voice actor) be merged into this page. The page only has two sources, both of which only cover him as trivia. The page could pretty much just become a footnote on this page. CamelCase (Talk | Contribs) 20:12, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

This makes a lot of sense. In the move request, we saw that Ward is only known for his uncredited voice roles in two Star Wars movies, and there's not really any other encyclopedic info available about him. Just copy the citations here.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:02, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Is it true that I don't actually need this proposal, I can just be bold? CamelCase (Talk | Contribs) 19:56, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

I've completed the merge, bringing over the citations. There's really not any more to say about Ward except that he voiced Greedo and Jabba the Hutt.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:36, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. CamelCase (Talk | Contribs) 19:35, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Aidan Barton? (Luke/Leia)

Wait, really? Did Aidan Barton really play both Luke and Leia in Episode III, or is that just a copy-paste formatting issue? Sorry for my lack of Star Wars knowledge. Paintspot (talk) 20:39, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

It was listed on IMDB that Aiden played both Luke and Leia. Zucat (talk) 18:10, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Star Wars Rebels and Clone Wars (2008)

Is there a reason Star Wars Rebels and the 2008 Incarnation of the Clone Wars are not included on the television series table? Are they not cannon or something? Both of these TV shows have involvement from Lucasfilm and they both have narratives in the timeline.

I would really appreciate any answer to this question because I would like to add these shows to the Table. Zucat (talk) 18:10, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

malcolm dixon

Malcolm Dixon, influential Biochemist, playing an Ewok? I'm not saying he didn't, but he would have been in his eighties, and there's no reference to him being a dwarf, or an actor. Is this lacking a citation, badly linked, or both? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:f04d:5a01:2945:5287:e42e:58c7 (talk) 13:01, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Vertical order of characters

Recently, the order of characters in the "Main Cast" section was changed so that Anakin Skywalker was below Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, and Han Solo. I think that that should be reverted back to the way it was before, since Anakin/Vader is more prominent throughout the saga, as opposed to one of the trilogies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Numberguy6 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Convert page to an overview page

Following the move of List of Star Wars film actors and List of Star Wars television series to the mainspace, this list can be changed to an overview page similar to Lists of Marvel Cinematic Universe cast members. - Brojam (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merger

I think his list should be merged with List of Star Wars film actors, List of Star Wars television series actors and List of Star Wars: The Clone Wars cast members because the current state of things is unnecessary complicated and the TCW page is completely present in the Television page. The current state of things is also entirely missing voice actors and performers in video games. UnkreativeFrog (talk) 07:19, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose merging everything together. The Clone Wars table could be merged with the general TV series table, but only those that are main cast members, recurring characters, as well as notable guest stars as the Cast indicator says. They also should have references, and not be included if there aren't reliable sources to back up their appearance, given that would mean it's not notable enough to include. Mixing the films with TV seems too complicated and would end up with an article that's too large and messy. —El Millo (talk) 07:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  Concerning the messy-ness I'd propose different sections: one for Live action feature films, one for Live action tv series, one for animated tv series and the tcw film, one for tv films, one for video games and one for Lego sw tv series and shorts. UnkreativeFrog (talk) 08:02, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  That would make an article far too long in my opinion, I think it's better to keep the two media separate, using the Cast indicator to indicate characters that appear in the other media, as it's done in List of MCU film actors and List of MCU Disney+ series actors, for example. There's also the problem of sourcing here and of notability, as the cast from the films and TV series doesn't have nearly the same notability and reliable sources availability as the cast from the video games and the Lego media. It's likely that a reliably sourced table for the latter won't even be possible. —El Millo (talk) 08:11, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  concerning the reliable sources all these media have credits that list the actors and have imdb pages UnkreativeFrog (talk) 08:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  IMDb is an unreliable source (per WP:IMDB). Credits are primary sources and if that's the only source there is for something, then it isn't noteworthy. In Wikipedia, we go by what secondary reliable source say. If they don't report or comment on something or someone, then they're not notable enough to be included in an article. —El Millo (talk) 08:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  isnt it noteworthy though when secondary reliable sources talk about the media even if they dont talk about the actors involved UnkreativeFrog (talk) 08:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  The media itself is notable, but a whole other article consisting solely of the cast of a video game must be justified. If there aren't reliable sources that cover the cast of a video game, then the cast of that video game isn't notable for its own article. —El Millo (talk) 08:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  Some cast of some video games may be notable enough for a table, but not all cast and not most games. In that case though, you can create a List of Star Wars video game actors or something like that. Ultimately, there's no need for it all to be in one article. —El Millo (talk) 08:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  then I'd change the templates now and make this to a sort of disambiguation page. UnkreativeFrog (talk) 08:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  This article wasn't originally a list of lists, it looked like this, which seems closer to what you're proposing now, and it makes for an article that's almost unbearably long and which would need to be split, as it currently is now. —El Millo (talk) 08:13, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  maybe im missing something but as long as its in separate sections the the length shouldnt really be a problem as the sections can be collapsed or the table of contents can be used UnkreativeFrog (talk) 08:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  Per MOS:COLLAPSE, having entire sections or tables collapsed can cause accessibility problems, so it's advised against. In Wikipedia, we avoid having articles be too long, at which moment we WP:SPLIT them. What you're proposing here would be the opposite of that. —El Millo (talk) 08:22, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

  I almost suspected something like this as the reason. Than the current situation should still be improved as the tcw article just duplicates the tv article, the tv article is missing the tv films and Lego SW media, and video games are entirely missing UnkreativeFrog (talk) 08:28, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Individual cast pages

User:Brojam User:Facu-el-millo this article is disambiguation page for the different list of Star Wars actors. It is unnecessary to list all the different cast pages here as this information is already mostly present these two lists. UnkreativeFrog (talk) 23:00, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

typo: User:Facu-el millo UnkreativeFrog (talk) 23:02, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Facu-el Millo damn case sensitivity UnkreativeFrog (talk) 23:04, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

UPDATE: So I'm back to this page.. I'm seriously thankful and pleased with the edits you seem to have made here in the time i was gone. In the time i created a List of Star Wars video games actors (though the Star Wars: The Old Republic is still mostly missing), feel free to expand if you want. I again tried to move the page's name to "Lists of Star Wars actors" under the same as it is more logical and provides less confusion. I seriously think that should be uncontroversial.

Again thank you and thank you again in advance,

UnkreativeFrog (talk) 09:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

It's not a disambiguation page. It is a List-of-lists article similar to the MCU one. - Brojam (talk) 23:08, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

The mcu article only lists articles that are exclusively about characters appearing in tv series (if all these individual articles are nessasary is a whole different question). The point is this page should only list articles that are “Lists of star wars actors”, which at the moment are just the “film” and “television” ones (I’m working on one about actors in SW video games). UnkreativeFrog (talk) 23:53, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't just include that. It links to the The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special Cast and characters section for example, and it does that with many more articles. Not all of them are Lists of actors. —El Millo (talk) 00:06, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Doesnt change what I say. The information present is also mostly present these two lists (and for the ones that are missing I added a “missing information” template). UnkreativeFrog (talk) 00:13, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

It's not present though, precisely because there is missing information. The Bad Batch, Visions, and Tales of the Jedi are not included at all, for example. At the very least, these links should stay until the List of TV actors is no longer incomplete. —El Millo (talk) 00:17, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Alright I changed style of the article aligning with the "consensus" reached here. Concerning the change of the name of the article I think it kinda should go with out question that the article should be moved to "Lists of Star Wars Actors" to align with the names of the film and tv pages (just because this was changed back multiple times). UnkreativeFrog (talk) 00:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Brojam

Seriously?? Just to set this straight because I dont want an "edit war" and I understand that I maybe shouldn't have multiple times reverted your edits. so I just edited (01:37, 8 March 2023) the article to make it more readable (a section with the the real lists and a section with individual cast sections) completely aligning with the "consensus" (as in the concerns you stated). And now you revert me again??? i literally respected everything you have said and just changed the style a bit! And because you feel so strongly about the red link to the video games I removed him (though i m already writing on an article about it). Sorry but if you revert this completely constructive edit aligning with the consensus again I will report you for vandalism. UnkreativeFrog (talk) 06:31, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

You've completely changed the format of the page, insisted it's a disambigation page when it is not, and made multiple page moves without any consensus with multiple editors reverting you. You have violated the three-revert rule. Read WP:CONS to understand what a consensus means because there has been no consensu for any of your changes - Brojam (talk) 06:42, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

What I just want to say (and stated before) is that this article is a Wikipedia:List of lists and should as such first and foremost list Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists (which cast sections aren't). Because not every series is included in List of Star Wars television series actors, I instead tried to atleast separate the Stand-alone lists from the remaining links to cast sections to make it more straightforward and aesthetically.

As a Lists of lists, the article should be renamed into "Lists of Star Wars actors" or "List of Star Wars actors" to align with the names of the Stand-alone lists (see Wikipedia:Lists of lists#Naming). UnkreativeFrog (talk) 09:39, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

There wasn't consensus to change anything. Continually changing an article in different ways during a discussion is disruptive. —El Millo (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)