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What do the years in front of each name signify ? Death dates ? Well in some names it is the death date, like for instance Hürrem Sultan. But the death dates of the last two (Gülüstü and Gülcemal) are certainly not 1909 and 1918. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think the years should be altered to represent the years during which they had the position in question--Aciram (talk) 08:39, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mükrime

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I cleared out the name Sitti Mukrime Hatun who was shown as the consort of Mehmet I. Actually Mükrime Hatun was the consort of Mehmet II. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Valides

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The list contained several people who was not valides, but mothers and consorts to sultans. The list is of valides and should only contain valides, but perhaps one could make a separate list of Sultan consorts--Aciram (talk) 08:39, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here are non-valides previously on the the list of valides, as well as some non-valides listed in the succession-boxes of valide-sultans:

A part from the fact that they should not be on the valide list of they weren't valides, they are relevant to mention. Consorts of monarchs are usually given articles. I recomend that a separate article is started with a list of the consorts of the Ottoman Sultans. --Aciram (talk) 08:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree about the above remark about the mothers who are not Valide Sultan. Valide Sultan does not mean the mother of the sultan. It is a title. While some adoptive mothers are Valide Sultan (like Rahime Perestu) some biological mothers who die before their sons' accession are not Valide Sultan (like Tirimüjgan) Furthermore, since the death dates of the earlier mothers are usually not known, their status as Valide Sultan is questionable. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]