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Sailor Jupiter or Sailor Venus
[edit]I've been told that Makoto was a girly-girl in the manga, where as Minako was the tomboy.
Appearance and behaviour
[edit]Makoto is tomboy in appearance: she is very tall, have a lot of strength and can be very rude. But her hobbies are those of a housewife. Minako has a very feminine appearance, but her hobbies and her behaviour are those of a boy. I think you are right and she is the real tomboy. (please note that I don't believe that hobbies, or even the behaviour, are either male or female, I tell how it is shown in the manga). --83.57.207.57 (talk) 09:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Dragonball
[edit]I am not agree that all those girls are tomboys only because they fight. The only real tomboy would be Videl, and maybe "evil" Lunch.
- Chichi: when she is young, her only aspiration is to marry with Goku. After, she is a protective mother.
- A18: she fights because she is built to do so, but she likes fashion above all (the androids lose a lot of time just because she wanted to "buy" new clothes).
- Zangya: do we know enough of her?
- Seripa: could be, but Seripa is the only female saiyan model we have so we must think that she follow the tradtional female role in the saiyan race.
- Pan: she is too young to have gender differences (in the GT, she could be identified as tomboy).
--83.57.207.57 (talk) 09:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- Videl: she is a tomboy because it says so in Dragon Ball Wiki and her bio in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.82.148.138 (talk) 13:16, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Naruto
[edit]Sakura, Ino, and Temari aren't tomboys.They all wear feminine clothing. Sakura and Ino are both highly concerned with their appearance and boys; stereotypical 'girlish' behaviour. Temari is also quite feminine.
The only thing that could be considered boyish about them is the fact that they're ninja, and Sakura has been shown to be rather aggressive at moments (However, even then Sakura usually gets aggressive over pretty 'girlish' things, like being told she's ugly and being interrupted while flirting with the object of her affections).
I'm removing them from the list again, and if someone doesn't agree, please explain why you think they're tomboys (Specifically you, Georgiacatcrimson, since you keep reverting my edits without an explanation). JadziaLover (talk) 22:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
- sorry,but those naruto characters aren't in list of notable tomboys in fiction .but they are in the arkticle otenba .and otenba actually means a girl that could be less or more mannish than a tomboy .sakura ,temari and ino are less mannish than an "american tomboy".that's why the person who had added them only adds them in otenba and not in list of notable tomboys in fiction .but somebody (everybody,actually) had miistaked otenba as tomboy,and put them in the list
The same goes for Lyra Silvertongue, elsewhere the character is described as especially not-tomboyish (like "finally a real girl in fantasy!"), she too only wears female clothing; but she is the leader of a gang of children (mostly boys), hmm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.54.231 (talk) 22:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Tayuya is a tomboy because she insults and speaks like a boy
Trim the Anime/Manga section
[edit]Yanno, the above comments only point up the fact that the section of all those should be replaced with a cross-reference to Otenba, because the Japanese concept of a tomboy is different enough from the Western one that it should be discussed separately. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- yeah otenba is really different from tomboy because of the concept(the guy that added naruto characters to otenba might understand the difference--Revim (talk) 08:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
- Trimming not necessary
- The Otenba article dosen't have squat on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgiacatcrimson (talk • contribs) 17:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
- (Note: refactored the above to not start a new section). That just means Otenba needs to be expanded (with sources). —Quasirandom (talk) 22:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
- It's going to be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgiacatcrimson (talk • contribs) 11:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Will you stop vandalizing the list by removing legitimate cleanup tags? --Farix (Talk) 11:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Now that wasn't very nice of you. --Farix (Talk) 02:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Jean Louise "Scout" Finch
[edit]Shouldn't Scout from Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird be included in this list? She didn't wear dresses or traditionally female clothing and she often beat up boys at her school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.206.128 (talk) 02:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Reverts
[edit]I reverted to the last decent version. There has been alot of screwing around with the article that isnt helpful. Work from here with regards to finding citations. Some of which were deleted by vandalism some time ago. There is no need to remove content minutes after it has been tagged. As this can be considered a navigational list, entries with articles that cover the topic do not really need sourcing. --neonwhite user page talk 14:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
- Reintroducing unsourced original-research material that was previously deleted under general concensus strikes me as being a retrograde step. I strongly disagree with the statement that "entries with articles that cover the topic do not really need sourcing". My view is that entries without verifiable references explicitly describing the characters as "tomboys" can only be described as original research, and thus do not belong here. --DAJF (talk) 22:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
- Note also that your (User:Neon white) reverts actually removed valid references, and also undid the work of other editors to put entries in alphabetical order. --DAJF (talk) 23:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
- Citated entires have been removed with no valid reason. Navigational lists don't need complete sourcing if the article the entry links to clearly defines it then that is usually ok. Obviously they need to be checked but i've added the ones i've found so far. Many may turn out to be incorrect but the wholesale removal of content without any attempt to find sources or check them is not helpful and damages the article. Common sense is applicable here. If characters fit the stated criteria then they should be acceptable. Fact tags are added to give editors chance to provide sources, they arent there to indicate immediate deletion. There is no consensus to remove anything here. The article currectly is an absolute mess and was far more useful previously. I remind editors to avoid Wikipedia:Wikilawyering and remember that writing a good article is the goal here. --neonwhite user page talk 17:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
To discuss whether you support or oppose a merger of this article into Tomboy please discuss it on that articles talk page Talk:Tomboy. --Magnetawan (talk) 16:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I'd put it up for deletion. The number of tomboys (and does anyone know the equivalent word for a male who acts like a girl?) in fiction must run to the millions. The tomboy has been a standard character in fiction for a couple thousand years at least. Fifty years ago that paragon of maleness (Boy's Life) was rife with tomboys in its fiction and Men's Life always had exuberant women running around with machine guns and whips.71.197.83.129 (talk) 03:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
- This should be discussed on the Tomboy talk page. This article has been listed for deletion 3 times (by me most recently), and the consensus is very much against deletion. -- Mark Chovain 06:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Winona Ryders character in Roxy Carmichael
[edit]Does anyone remember that movie? I distinctly remember her character being a tomboy to the max —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.73.128 (talk) 07:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Toph
[edit]We should add Toph, she is also a tomboy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 (talk) 01:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
- you're right,we should add toph but Mr.Huggles keeps reverting my edits.--Revim (talk) 09:36, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
- But you will need to search for reliable sources,too--Pinballistics (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Questionable tomboys
[edit]oh, come on,wikipedia has aneutral point of view, and also, those people who refers them as tomboys are also humans.--Pinballism (talk) 15:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Princess Zelda
[edit]I added Princess Zelda. Not sure if other wikia sites are 'legit' references, but it is true. 24.164.157.113 (talk) 06:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Princess Daisy
[edit]We should all know that Princess Daisy has been potrayed as a tomboy, so she should be added to the list. You should search "Princess Daisy" on the Mario Wiki if you don't beileve me. SuperGirl64 01:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
- If you have non-trivial reference sources supporting that, please go ahead and add it to the list. --DAJF (talk) 02:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
You can check on the Super Mario Wiki. I'm annoyed that people don't see the tomboy in her. I mean, c'mon, Daisy DOES NOT go around being all feminine like Peach. SuperGirl64
- Other Wikis are not reliable sources so the Mario Wiki can't be used to source whether or not she's a tomboy. either way (talk) 22:09, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
- It's very black & white to say that she is a TB simply because she is not like Daisy. On the Masculine feminine scale, she would lean feminine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny 42 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, it's more black and white than that. If reliable sources call her a tomboy, she goes on this list. If not, she doesn't. Simple. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- The reliable source might be wrong.--24.62.109.225 (talk) 15:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- Absolutely. Or you might be wrong. Or both might be wrong. What to do? We run across this type of question often enough that we have settled it quite directly: If reliable sources say she's a tomboy, Wikipedia says she's a tomboy. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." WP:V - SummerPhD (talk) 16:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- Okay. I understand. I just wanted to state my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.109.225 (talk • contribs) 13:08, 29 June 2011
- Absolutely. Or you might be wrong. Or both might be wrong. What to do? We run across this type of question often enough that we have settled it quite directly: If reliable sources say she's a tomboy, Wikipedia says she's a tomboy. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." WP:V - SummerPhD (talk) 16:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- The reliable source might be wrong.--24.62.109.225 (talk) 15:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, it's more black and white than that. If reliable sources call her a tomboy, she goes on this list. If not, she doesn't. Simple. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- It's very black & white to say that she is a TB simply because she is not like Daisy. On the Masculine feminine scale, she would lean feminine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny 42 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Makoto Kikuchi
[edit]I don't have any refrences to point to, but Makoto Kikuchi from The Idolmaster is an undoubtable tomboy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.66.20 (talk) 00:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Without a reliable source, she isn't - SummerPhD (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Lina Inverse.
[edit]Tomboyism is the best kind of femaninity.
- Agressive & destructive behavior.
- When she acts femenine, she creeps people out.
- The "femeninity" article says "submisive, gentle, patient, & kind." Lina is none of those.
- Many men are terrified of her reputation.
- Not really emotional & romantic, she even explained in Slayers: Knight of the Aqualord how she doesn't see her & Gourry having any other kind of relationship.
- While she does get flustered by flirtation, seconds latter she reacts negatively by punching the closest guy.
- Her bodyguard Gourry isn't nessesary. He's a friendly tag-along. She has her own sword.
- She's the one who ends up saving someone in the end but never needs to be saved herself.
- She wears pants.
- Femanine women like Naaga piss her off.
- While Amelia loves to get involed in other people's melodrama, it sickens Lina.
- Sometimes she makes her male friends wear women's clothing.
- She is the leader who makes the decisions, period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 11:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
- That really helps this article.--Johnny 42 (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Megaman ZX
[edit]Aile and Ashe are tomboys because it says so in the japanese bio.--190.82.175.10 (talk) 13:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Bakugan Battle Brawlers
[edit]Runo is a tomboy 'cause she plays with boys.--190.82.175.10 (talk) 13:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Powerpuff Girls
[edit]Buttercup is a tomboy 'cause she likes to fight, getting dirty, rude games and hates girly stuff like ponies.--190.82.162.89 (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC) Even in her page in Wikipedia and the Powerpuff Girls wiki says she's a tomboy.--190.82.162.89 (talk) 20:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Powerpuff Girls Z
[edit]Kaoru is more tomboy 'cause she likes to wear clothes that make her look like a boy, ride skateboard, is good in sports and hates dresses and skirts. Kaoru also uses "Ore" which is a male first-person pronoun.--190.82.162.89 (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Pokémon
[edit]Misty is a tomboy, her japanese leader title tomboy mermaid and in the japanese version of the anime in episode 18 she calls her self like that, though she likes romantic stuff. Anabel is kinda a tomboy, she uses "Boku" to refer herself, "Boku" is a first-person pronoun just for males and she wears boy clothes. Zoey is kinda a tomboy 'cause she wears suits instead of dresses in the contests. Angie is a tomboy 'cause she uses the first-person pronoun "Oira" which is for males, she speaks like a boy ending her sentences with "Ze" "Zo" and "Na" in the japanese version. Melody is a tomboy too by her personality and in Pokeani in her personality and characteristics says tomboy in japanese.--190.82.175.10 (talk) 13:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
- Zoey and Angie definitely are, but Misty isn't. What kind of a tomboy wears midriffs? I know her title is, "The Tomboyish Mermaid", but that's just baloney. I'm a tomboy, and hate it when people do that. 75.0.178.10 (talk) 00:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Unless a reliable source says they are tomboys, they are not tomboys. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Digimon
[edit]Rika is quite of a tomboy 'cause she wears very boyish clothes and hates to wear dresses for her mother--190.82.162.89 (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Removals
[edit]I've had to remove:
- Aile and Ashe from Megaman ZX [1][2] - Ashe is sourced to a Wiki (thus not reliable), Aile is sourced to a review which seems to be without editorial control, and doesn't seem to be reliable.
- Ann and Nami from Harvest Moon [3][4] - Nami is sourced to a wiki, Ann to a comment in the tips section.
- Haruka Tenoh from Sailor Moon [5] - sourced to a wiki (strictly speaking, a repost of Wikipedia's Haruka Tenoh article)
- Misty from Pokémon [6] - sourced to a wiki (Bulbapedia)
- Rika Nonaka from Digimon Tamers [7] - seems to be a self-published fansite
- Sora Takenouchi from Digimon Adventure[8] - seems to be a self-published fansite
- Karin Kurosaki, Kūkaku Shiba, Soifon and Rukia Kuchiki from Bleach [9][10][11] - there's an ok source for Tatsuki Arisawa, but the others are sourced to wikis and a blog.
- Tia from Zatch Bell! [12] - Wikipedia mirror
- Toph Bei Fong from Avatar: The Last Airbender [13] - discussion forum
- Videl and Pan from Dragon Ball [14][15] - Self-published FAQ for Videl (although that one doesn't seem to far off being reliable), and wiki for Pan
- Winry Rockbell and Clause from Fullmetal Alchemist [16][17] - fansites
- Yuuko Atoda from Ah My Buddha [18] - apparent wiki
I have no problem in principle with these characters, but for this article we need to stick to reliable sources. I've looked for acceptable sources for all of them and wasn't able to find one, (where I did I added it to those that remain), but hopefully someone else can do better and find reliable sources so we can add them back. - Bilby (talk) 00:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Ayu Tsukimiya...
[edit]I figured that she's not a tomboy, but she uses boku. —Preceding unsigned comment added by APR76 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Too much anime
[edit]How about some tomboys that aren't from some anime? Kara Thrace anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.117.213 (talk) 07:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
- Very good idea! What about the classic Hollywood tomboys of the 70s like Jodie Foster, Kristy McNichol or Tatum O´Neal.
- The aspect of similarities between the parts they played and their real life is even more interesting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.171.145.167 (talk) 14:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- I added a couple of tomboy roles by Doris Day. Kaldari (talk) 05:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
There's Sandy from Being Ian. She's quite of a tomboy.--190.82.187.167 (talk) 14:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Sonic
[edit]Sally's a tomboy 'cause she fights and is not afraid to get dirty, she's even called "tomboy princess". Bunnie Rabbot, Julie-Su and Belle D'Coolette are tomboys too--190.82.187.167 (talk) 14:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
removed tags
[edit]the tags with links in japanese clearly had the word tomboy, therefore they should be put back190.82.156.108 (talk) 14:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Holly Jones
[edit]Holly Jones (from Heilein's "Menace from Earth") is surely not a tomboy. As far as I can see there is nothing internal to the story that suggests she displays anything other than fairly normal female characteristics. She doesn't *look* like a tomboy, she says "I'm very intelligent but it doesn't show, because I look like an underdone angel. Insipid." The fact that she is intelligent and wants to be an engineer is hardly tomboy behaviour - at least not in the context of the future Luna society described. Her mother is a mathematical chemist after all. If this page is just going to be a list of women with generally independent outlooks who form the central character of stories, then its going to be much longer and not much use. Francis Davey (talk) 19:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- The only source given for that one was the story itself, which does not directly say she is a tomboy. I've removed it as original research/unsourced. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:16, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Punky Brewster
[edit]I seemed to have noticed a somewhat glaring omission from the list. What about Punky Brewster? At least in the first two seasons, she wasn't exactly a girly girl and there are a number of episodes where, to paraphrase, Henry even says he'd prefer Punky to be more of a young lady than a tomboy. In fact the second season episode "Girls Will Be Boys", where Punky takes an interest in radio controlled cars, actually confronts conventional gender roles. Did she not make the list because her character got a little more girly in the last two seasons? Just wondering. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.208.206 (talk) 19:15, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- So far, she hasn't "made the list" because no one has presented a reliable source referring to her as a tomboy. Got one? - SummerPhD (talk) 20:43, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Ginny Weasly
[edit]Would she count as a TB? I'm not sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny 42 (talk • contribs) 12:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- If a reliable source calls her a tomboy, she would count. Otherwise, no. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Gaz of Invader Zim
[edit]Would Gaz of Invader Zim be considered a tomboy? I'd say she could. She was a very straight faced, menacing, assertive little girl who was never shown to have any girly characteristics or interests. She reveled in playing gory video games and beat her brother up on an almost regular basis. The only thing remotely girly about her I can think of is the fact that she wore a dress. Attitude and interest wise however, she was very tomboyish. In one episode she was even mistaken as a boy by Zim's robot mother (although, to be fair, his robot parents weren't the brightest.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.18.105.21 (talk) 01:57, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
- If a reliable source calls her a tomboy, she would count. Otherwise, no. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:08, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Seras Victoria - Hellsing
[edit]I was just wondering if she counts as a Tomboy or not; I mean, even her page[19] says she does, but I don't see any reliable sources there. Somebody could kindly either fix that page or place her name on this one, finding any appropriate sources along the way. 79.41.64.44 (talk) 19:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
"Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." WP:SYN
Basically, unless there are independent reliable sources that directly say "(Character) is a tomboy", that character should not be on the list. Why? It goes to one of Wikipedia's core policies: Verifiability. We do not have a source for the claim. Instead, we have sources that lay out various characteristics generally connected with the "tomboy" idea and an unconnected source that says some of those characteristics apply to the character. We then have an editor's opinion that this means the character is a tomboy. Maybe the editor is right, maybe not. Their opinion, however, does not belong in an article. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:12, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
- See also [20], [21] and [22]. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:19, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
- Just so, those diffs link to my talk page.
- A note: Not yet resolved, but I will come and make my discussion at the appropriate WP:DR venues (like this talk page, for example).
- And, third of all, this section only mentions about the policy, not about my entry.
- Will add a comment later. Porchcorpter 02:13, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- Just so, those diffs link to my talk page.
Okay, so I added Betty Barrett from Atomic Betty.
The first time I added the character to the list. It got removed by a user called SummerPhD, using TW.
Then I did add sources. And the sources are as follows:
- First ref is "Parents need to know that this action-adventure cartoon centers on a smart, self-assured tween girl who’s more concerned with saving the world from evil domination than she is with stereotypical pursuits like popularity and fashion."
- Second ref is "On Earth, she loves music, using her skateboard, hanging out with her best friend named Noah" and "In space, she likes racing her star cruiser and fighting treacherous super-villains."
- Third ref, this is the most important ref. It is the theme song of the show. It states "Toughest chick in the alien world.", "Atomic Betty, I'm a fighting girl.", "Atomic Betty, gonna rock your world." and "Atomic Betty, gonna save the world."
Then, after adding these sources. Summer did not want to revert the edit. But then another editor named Bonadea reverted it. Then I had restored it to the list, and reverted the editor's removal. But then, an admin named Only had removed it per WP:SYN. But, in cases like this, these refs seem to state indirectly that Betty is a tomboy. In fact, it has even been said all over the internet that Betty is a tomboy.
I personally think that WP:SYN is a good enough policy, but in this case, with all the three refs, especially the third ref which is the show's theme song and has the most amount of lines that imply. And even that all over the internet it has been stated that Betty is a tomboy, so personally I don't think that WP:SYN applies here (but I could be wrong). See also this unresponded comment.
Of all the editors here, Only has been the one that was the clearest; he explained it to me very clearly, and he was the clearest with his explanation.
On top of that, I have another reason that she is a tomboy, see List of Atomic Betty characters which states "Betty is a human/alien hybrid tomboy". That article is on Wikipedia. But, no one has yet answered about that article yet, and I'm still awaiting for an answer.
(Editors involved: User:Bonadea, User:Only and User:SummerPhD, these editors are welcome to comment in this discussion, but I'd ask them to be neutral and uninvolved.)
What I am asking is that if WP:SYN, WP:RS or anything else should be done here. And, if there are any other sources, please list them. As it has been stated all over the internet that Betty is a tomboy, but I can't find the right sources.
This will be my first step for looking for a response to this situation and dispute resolution. If this is not resolved, I'm taking this to other WP:DR venues. Thanks. Porchcorpter 02:54, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- I don't get it...how am I listed as an "involved" editor, but also am told that I'm supposed to be neutral and uninvolved in this discussion? Again, you're saying yourself...the sources "imply" that she is a tomboy. You are drawing your own conclusion on the implications. That is basically the definition of synthesis per our policy. You've said nothing here that hasn't already been explained to you...what you're introducing may be true, but it hasn't been proven through reliable sources. As for taking it elsewhere if it isn't resolved...I think it was resolved previously; the resolution just happens to be one you disagree with. only (talk) 03:15, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- WP:SYN is pretty clear here, as discussed above. "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." We have sources ("A") saying that tomboys have various qualities. We have other sources ("B") that say Betty has various qualities, some of which are listed in the "A" sources as being qualities that tomboys have. You are adding these together to reach a conclusion ("C") that is not explicitly stated in either set of sources.
- Yes, various people in various places on the internet say various things about various topics. Some say Betty is a tomboy. Some say the Apollo Moon landings were faked. Some say a movie that came out last week is the greatest movie in the history of the world. None of them, however, are reliable sources.
- Yes, other articles on Wikipedia say things. Some of those things are well-sourced. Some are not. Wikipedia is not a reliable source and cannot be used as a source for itself.
- Three editors agree that we do not yet have a reliable source for this. You seem to feel that synthesis of reliable sources and the existence of numerous unreliable sources should overturn this. I disagree. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- I cannot add much to only's and SummerPhD's excellent replies; I agree with their interpretation of WP:SYN. Sources that don't meet WP:RS can be used for some limited purposes on Wikipedia, but not when it comes to whether to include an entry in a list of this kind. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 09:59, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Misty from Pokémon
[edit]Her description is literally: "The Tomboyish Mermaid!"
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Misty
I could add her, but I don't know what source I should link to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickvang7 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
- You would need to find a reliable source saying that she is a tomboy. Bulbapedia is a user created site and not useful here. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:45, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
- http://i.imgur.com/gbgWsXC.jpg?1 From my own Pokémon LeafGreen Version, on my own Nintendo DS Lite, taken with my own camera by me and uploaded by me on my own laptop with my own wi-fi to my own imgur.com album. By the law of physics I can't get it anymore reliable than that. Nickvang7 (talk) 15:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
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[edit]As previously discussed (several times, actually), entries to this list must cite independent reliable sources stating the character is a "tomboy". Otherwise, the addition will be reverted as often as needed to get a source or bring the editor to the talk page to discuss the issue. - SummerPhDv2.0 23:24, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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suspected vandalism
[edit]Over the past few days there have been a number of anonymous editors - at different IP addresses each time - who have removed characters from the anime/manga section without any explanation. It's tempting to suspect this may be something to do with the feminism and LGBT-related categories, but that's purely supposition. Without any explanation from the IP addresses involved we don't know.
sheridan (talk) 08:29, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
- The entry they have been removing is sourced, they did not give an explanation (edit summary and/or talk page), they haven't reacted to our reverts or my talk page warnings, so I requested semi-protection. If they return after that expires, we can extend it as often and as long as necessary. - SummerPhDv2.0 16:57, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Seems enough content for populating a category here, with this list as main article. Anything with a decent source I will add. ScratchMarshall (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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Several fictional tomboys
[edit]Dot Hugson is a tomboy, Leslie McGroarty is a tomboy, Amy Rose is a tomboy, Maya the Bee is a tomboy, Lori Loud, Luna Loud, Luan Loud, Lana Loud, Lynn Loud Jr. and Ronnie Anne are tomboys, Asuka Langley Soryu is a tomboy, Eiko Magami is a tomboy, Sakura Kinomoto is a tomboy, Usagi Tsukino, Minako Aino, Rei Hino, Makoto Kino and Haruka Tenoh are tomboys, Betty Barret is a tomboy, Princess Daisy is a tomboy, SOME OF THESE ARE TOMBOYS!!!!!! We do NOT put "Do not add entries without reliable reference sources, otherwise they will be deleted." in the first place! That is totally impossible! 207.225.26.200 (talk) 00:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
- All material must be attributable to reliable, published sources. See WP:VERIFY. Rupert Loup (talk) 01:29, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Considering new organization for the page
[edit]Hello all! I was looking at the literature section of this article, and I'm glad that @User:Kaldari put that in place back in April. I'd like to purpose that the other sections, "Film," "Television," "Anime and manga," "Comics," "Video games," and "Other" can be put into tables. I'd love to hear some comments from @User: Harbour Porpoise9, @User:Cyberfan195, and anyone else who wants to participate, just choosing some names from the current round of editors of this page. Thanks! --Historyday01 (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Historyday01: That would be awesome. Kaldari (talk) 19:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Great! I'll give it a day or so, and see if anyone else responds, then put the changes into effect. Historyday01 (talk) 19:36, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Historyday01: Wow! Nice work! Kaldari (talk) 22:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think it looks really great. --Historyday01 (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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