Talk:List of species described by the Lewis and Clark Expedition

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Removed vandalism from Plants section. Paddy

Nonsense

This is a complete unreferenced mess. How could Bear berry, Common Horsetail, Common Juniper and Silky Wormwood, all native to Europe as well and very abundant there, be first desribed by an American expedition? It is well-known that they all were described by Linnaeus in the 18th century.Colchicum (talk) 23:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think this list should be thoroughly cleaned, made complete and then semi-protected forever. Colchicum (talk) 23:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is something of a mess, although poorly done vandalism reverts (around March 2007, at least) seem to be part of the problem. The oldest version of the article is in better shape; at least it divides plants into "discovered" and "described". I'm not really sure what the latter term means (just that they saw that species?). But it at least seems to mean that news of the species (to the scholarly world) was not first published by Lewis and Clark. We could perhaps pick another term if "described" is too confusing in light of its different usage in taxonomy jargon. Consulting the cited sources would help (which don't seem to be online). But digging through the history of vandalism and reverts could probably help a bit. Kingdon (talk) 16:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted the plants section to an old version and reapplied a very small number of the recent edits. Doing a lot more with this will probably require looking at the sources, but do note that the Lewis and Clark expedition collected herbarium specimens (with location information), so we shouldn't write off this as one of those "who knows which plant they were talking about?" exercises. See THE BOTANY OF THE LEWIS & CLARK EXPEDITION or The Corps of Botanical Discovery for example. Kingdon (talk) 15:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This list is awful. Even the previous edits mentioned above have tons of organisms that were described scientifically well before the L&C expedition. Vulpes vulpes, Erethizon dorsatum, Prunus pensylvanica, Aix sponsa, Bison bison, Meleagris gallopavo, Populus deltoides, and many more were described before 1800. It's easier to check the animals since the date of description is given along with the authority, but I'm not inspired to check everything here (and while description prior to the L&C expedition makes it clear that L&C didn't discover the species in question, the converse doesn't hold; listed species described after 1806 are not necesarily L&C discoveries).Plantdrew (talk) 17:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If anybody is inspired to fix this list, these two pages [plants] and [animals] seem reasonably accurate at first glance, in so far as I'm not immediately seeing any taxa listed that occur in Europe or eastern North America.Plantdrew (talk) 17:40, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge into Lewis and Clark Expedition

Oppose. Too much detail to include inline in Lewis and Clark Expedition. Separate linked articles, as exist now, are an appropriate use of summary style. Kingdon (talk) 19:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re L&C and Cutthroat trout

Moved the cutthroat from "Discovered" to the "Described" section. The first cutthroat encountered by Europeans was the Rio Grande cutthroat trout in 1541 by Spanish explorer Francisco de Coronado (See: Cutthroat trout#Taxonomy). This is well documented in Trotter (2008) and Behnke (2002). --Mike Cline (talk) 17:10, 4 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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