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On my watchlist

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This article is now on my watchlist. Add junk, and it's obliterated. — Stevie is the man! Talk | Work 20:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

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Can this page be merged with schools in Jefferson County in Kentucky article? Thief Lord 15:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this article? At any rate, Louisville is Jefferson County, so if said article exists, it should redirect to this one. —  Stevie is the man!  Talk | Work 16:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

School Names and Placements

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Just so there is no confusion, I have moved Moore Middle, Moore High and Brown School out of their previous places in the list because they are officially combined schools. The Brown School is K-12 and Moore Traditional School is 6-12. This reflects their official status with JCPS. --Braindrain0000 03:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


GCCC and adding pages

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My thoughts, after the Blake school discussion 1) Should schools in the Greater Clark County Schools system be included s Louisville schools. If not should we really keep the mention of IUS as a Louisville university? 2)Should we create a separate page just for the Elementaries, so that we can merge Blake and others into one article, as they hardly justify their own? --Bedford 04:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If the article is restructured to handle it, I would say Yes to adding all schools within the Louisville MSA. Re: creating a separate page, I sympathize with the position that not all schools deserve articles from a notability perspective, but the Wikipedia consensus (determined on multiple occasions) is that in terms of schools, the Wikipedia has to act like an almanac. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 05:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The only thing I've seen on keep/delete is Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments. After reading that, I am most in favor of merging the elementary schools. If this page were broken up into separate articles (one for each school level, for example), each school could potentially have a short paragraph that gives its identifying characteristics. This would make the job of editing the schools easier (1 article instead of 90 for the JCPS Elementary Schools) and make it easier for people to find out about schools (if there were any interest). While there are elementary schools with fairly extensive articles, this will probably not be the case. Honestly, the most productive way to provide information on elementary schools in JCPS is to link to the school-designed website for those that have them. Re: adding IN schools - IUS should probably be removed, in my opinion, if it's an either/or. The main reason for keeping it is that a lot of Louisville residents attend IUS, thanks to the special arrangement for in-state tuition. Adding GCCS to the mix would open the door for adding Bullitt, Oldham, etc., which may end up being a very unwieldy article. Perhaps one way of doing it is having the separate articles for Louisville, Clark County, etc., then putting them all in a Louisville Metropolitan Area Schools category. Alternatively, the colleges and universities could be separated off in a similar fashion, with IUS remaining in that list. --Braindrain0000 20:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I'll just say "be bold" and reformat all this to how you feel it will work best. What you want to do generally sounds good. I would just advise against deleting any preexisting articles for individual schools in the process--as deleting any of them might make an inclusionist somewhere go hyper. :) Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 21:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bradley Jordan Atzinger Traditional Comprehensive Elementary Academy

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Does anybody have a reference for this school? It's listed in the public school section, but I've never heard of it (and I work for JCPS). I don't want to jump the gun and remove it (considering the issues with Highlands Latin School), but if it's a public school, what is it and where is it? --Braindrain0000 20:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Atzinger Elementary sounds vaguely familiar to me, but I don't really know anything beyond that. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 21:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is no such thing (according to JCPS) as Bradley Jordan Atzinger Traditional Comprehensive Elementary Academy, but a search engine shows that a Bradley Atzinger was a graduate of Butler High in 2006. I removed this info as it has no reference and is an obvious prank. Chris24 05:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My last reversion

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My last reversion of Chris24's changes was definitely a mistake... I thought I was seeing the entirety of the change at the top, but neglected to see the rest. It's back to normal now, thanks to Braindrain0000. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 05:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot help but wonder why Braindrain is offered thanks and I am left with the feeling that my actions were both wrong and inappropriate.Chris24 06:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just disagreed with a part of the change. My full reversion was a mistake. If you expect a thanks for everything you do, you're in the wrong place, but every positive change you make is welcome. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 06:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do not expect a thanks "for everything you do" but find it odd for you to offer thanks to someone else.Chris24 06:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The thanks to Braindrain0000 was for correcting my full reversion, which I hadn't meant to do--what he did was a personal save for me. I don't understand the oddity. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 06:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, personally, I want to thank Chris for cleaning up on something I had started, but not completed. Particularly, removing the middle school Brown reference. I thought I got them all - I even read through the list. But alas, I didn't get it. And I don't know how any of us went so long without removing the CEC link. Maybe there's just something about middle school that causes us to glaze over it. --Carl (talk|contribs) 12:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Although the Thank You is very much appreciated, it is neither something that I seek nor expect. The vandalism and personal attacks that I have experienced will show that. I rarely delete or revert articles, and when I have done so I have based it on facts. I am only stating that my edit was reverted while being factual, but was berated by the statement 'let's take it to talk' (while Bradley Jordan Atzinger Traditional Comprehensive Elementary Academy has not been called into question and called "vaguely familiar" until now).Chris24 04:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is questioning the removal of Atzinger. What I called "vaguely familiar" at one point was part of the process of discovery--a question was asked and I provided an honest response. And "Let's take it to talk" was merely a request with respect to explaining why the external link was needed. I was trying to keep that off the page, as it's unusual to have an external link when there is an internal link to an article that shows the same external link. And re: reverting articles, reverting is a normal practice in the Wikipedia, but I didn't want to get into a potential revert war over an external link, so I said "Let's take it to talk". I seriously do not understand why anyone would be bruised by these normal Wikipedia occurances--if you think this was bad, you should check out some politically sensitive articles. This is a lovefest in comparison to most other disagreements in the Wikipedia. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 04:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Taking it to talk also has the nice advantage of avoiding WP:3RR, which I imagine might have happened had it continued as it was. While I wouldn't have reported it, I imagine you both have "fans" who would:). --Carl (talk|contribs) 04:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I added the external link was due to external links being listed for certain schools (Kennedy Metro Middle School, Noe Middle School, Liberty High School) which could have led to separate links for separate schools, which could have led to seeing [120], [121], etc. When I see a complete revert on a page, it is usually due to vandalism and that led me to beleive that my edit was viewed as such. I know this was not the intent and would like to offer my apologies to Stevie. I always try to be factual and verifiable in every edit I make and may have been a little too eager to defend myself in this case. Chris24 03:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Full" School Names

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While I realize that on the sign in front of Moore, you see "Marion C. Moore Traditional School," I'm not sure it's necessary to track down Samuel V. Noe, Horace B. Slaughter, Sarah J. Price, etc., for the full name of the school. In general, I think the name used officially by JCPS (in the case of public schools) should be the name that appears here. That list is here. You will notice that some schools traditionally bear the full name of their namesake, some only the last name. I don't think we should necessarily include full names for everyone, as this creates a bit of confusion in this regard. For example, if you walk up to a Louisvillian and ask where Jefferson Middle School is, they're going to probably think (after they look at you like you're crazy) that you're talking about JCTMS, not Thomas Jefferson Middle School -- at least I would. Asking for Taylor Elementary School is going to get an even wierder look, because I don't know of many people in the county who thinks of Zachary Taylor Elementary School as Taylor Elementary School. Maybe you do, but I know the authority on the matter, JCPS, typically does not. While JCPS certainly recognizes "Samuel V. Noe Middle School," I think for the sake of clarity, the names need to be kept at common use so as to keep a distinction between schools which traditionally use the full name (e.g., Zachary Taylor and Thomas Jefferson and the two Kennedy schools [for disambiguation]) and those which do not (Stuart, Waggener, Slaughter, etc.). On the other hand, I don't have a problem with something like:

as this would help stave off the tendency for people to create articles just because there are one or two interesting facts about a school. In fact, I would personally encourage this, as it gives the list a bit more purpose than just a rattling off of schools. --Carl (talk|contribs) 02:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a sticky subject, and you pointed those reasons (such as Thomas Jefferson Middle and Zachary Taylor Elementary). This is why I only made the changes to the High Schools as Doss is sometimes called Harry Doss and Waggener is sometimes called Mayme Waggener. That being said, I really like your suggestion of presenting the full school name (such as you show with Brandeis Elementary) with only pertinent info. Since I included the full name on the high schools, I will go ahead and edit those as you suggest. Chris24 03:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, don't quote me on Brandeis. I had a tingling in the back of my head that told me it wasn't Louis Brandeis as the namesake. It's Albert S. Brandeis. I just found a picture clearly showing the name engraved on the front of the school. Anyway, you get the point. On the two examples you gave above, I knew about the full name (I've been to both schools for football games and other events), but except for the signage, I've never heard anyone refer to them by the full names. But that's just me (shrugs). --Carl (talk|contribs) 03:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It would probably be best to refer to the schools by their common names, as if we were presenting the title we would use for a Wikipedia article, and then, in the description for each, show the full name and offer more info about the namesake and the school as Carl suggests. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 03:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I had only included the full names for the High Schools, and have since edited them as suggested. Deciding what is the common name for a school is a judgement call based on ones own experiences, which I try to avoid (I have always heard Doss referred to as Harry Doss High School, but have rarely heard Butler called Suda Butler, but cannot say that everyone has done the same.) The only problem I ran into was my attempt to ascertain the person the school was named for (all references I found on a cursory look for Harry Doss are either only for the school or for a Georgia judge that the school was obviously not named for). If anyone knows whom these schools are named for, it would definitely be a welcome addition.Chris24 04:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've got most of the High Schools (in fact, I'll be going from here to change the high school list). I'm only doing the high schools right now to give an idea of what I had in mind. I happen to have the Encyclopedia of Louisville next to me, which, in conjunction with images of school-fronts and school-designed websites, is letting me look up most of them.
Re: the school name to use. The safest bet is the official name on the JCPS School Directory, as this is an authoritative reference as to what the school is called. I posted the link in my original comment. --Carl (talk|contribs) 05:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your ongoing fine attention to detail in this article. I'm sure that over time, this article will fill out with info about each school, including who they're named for. It will most likely require people with intimate knowledge about the schools to come in here to help. I went to Butler one year and you have Suda Butler covered. I went to Lassiter Middle, and I know it's short for O.M. Lassiter. The other schools I went to had neighborhood names. That's all I have for now. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 05:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is why I proposed splitting off the article into subarticles by school level. A large number of the elementary schools are named for someone. This would end up being quite a large list if we did not. I went to Rangeland Elementary, Sarah Jacob Price Elementary, Newburg Middle, and Jeffersontown High. I've been meaning to write an article for J'Town. I don't have an entry in EoL for Lassiter, so I can't help with that one unless the school website says something (if they have one). --Carl (talk|contribs) 06:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Layout suggestion

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I just thought of something. Could we put these lists into tables so that we could neatly categorize information about the schools? For example, have columns for opening date, reason for name and general info. It would make it a lot cleaner (IMO) than what I've got going right now, and would be a lot easier to maintain (I think). --Carl (talk|contribs) 06:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I may hold off on major edits of this page for the next little bit. I'm going to work this table idea out on a user subpage before I commit it to this one. It will probably result in forking each category of school into separate articles. --Carl (talk|contribs) 06:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You can see what I'm talking about at User:Braindrain0000/Public Schools in Jefferson County, Kentucky. --Carl (talk|contribs) 07:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, although I think we could put all public schools on one page, and all private schools on another (long list articles are actually somewhat common in the Wikipedia). Also, the third column could be more than about the origins of the name, but also include a short blurb about the school's notability (if it is notable). Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed things over. If this is acceptable, I'll *try* to start working on something similar for the private schools, though for most of them, I would think it would be self-explanitory. For my next major project, I'm going to work on some of the notable people in Jefferson County education for whom there may not be enough encyclopedic information to merit a whole article. I'm going to start with a lot of the administrators and the people who have schools named after them (especially the ones I have an EoL entry for). I'd like to be able to bluelink some of these names and reduce the amount of personal bio information needed in this list. Some of these people are really interesting. --Carl (talk|contribs) 04:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Colleges and Universities

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Exactly which schools should be listed? When I added Louisville Presbyterian Theological Seminary I ran across other schools as well, but thought the listing was limited to state schools and private schools that offer 4 year programs. Since McKendree, Spencerian, and Webster have been added, what about all the other 2 year private schools (such as Daymar College, ITT Technical Institute, Kentucky College of Business, Louisville Technical Institute, & RETS Institute of Technology). Also, if you include schools eligible for federal aid you would also have to add Galen Health Institutes, The Hair Design School, Trend Setters Academy of Beauty Culture, and many others. Since Webster is included, should the University of Phoenix also be included? If schools have university or college in the title to qualify for the list it would cause the list become quite long (since it would then include specialty schools such as Tri-City Barber College). I thought the cut-off was limited to state schools and private 4-year schools... should that be the cut-off (as there are many 2 year schools that, although schools, are specialized to the point that many would not consider them a college or university)? If not what do others think the cut-off should be? What definitions have to be met for inclusion? Chris24 22:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Split article public/private?

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Considering the fact that the public schools section is being developed (and improved) in a different direction than the list of private schools, should we split the article into Public schools in Louisville, Kentucky and Private schools in Louisville, Kentucky articles? What I would like to do is get the public school section filled out as completely as possible (dates, one-paragraph blurbs and pics) and nom it for featured list. I also think that even if we were to improve the private school listing to an equivalent layout, the list would become very difficult to navigate effectively (not to mention incredibly long). --Carl (talk|contribs) 23:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, since I saw Stevie suggest this in our discussions about a year ago, I'll likely go ahead and do this. I'm not sure how we would go about cleaning up this article or just redirecting it to an Education in Louisville, Kentucky article as a jumping-off point for the two lists. --Carl (talk|contribs) 23:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

defunct schools

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Could defunct schools, like Flaget High School and probably several others be integrated into this list? --W.marsh 19:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly a possibility. The only problem is that finding verifiable and encyclopedic information on the schools would be difficult in some cases. The other thing is whether we would consider schools that were either renamed or consolidated as "defunct." --Carl (talk|contribs) 01:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: Ramsey Middle School article

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It's a stub with only a few sentences of content, which could easily be dealt with here or at Louisville, Kentucky#Education. CtP (t • c) 23:12, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm generally for expansion rather than merger, but I'm not taking a position in this case. But if it is merged, so to speak, it should be redirected to Jefferson County Public Schools (Kentucky). Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 10:58, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the merge tag as Ramsey was merged into Public schools in Louisville, Kentucky a long while ago. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 12:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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