Talk:List of sandwiches

To be included on this stand-alone list, each entry should meet the following list criteria (see discussion):

Every entry should meet the notability criteria for its own article in the English Wikipedia.
Every entry should be a sandwich in the broad American English sense, by falling into one of these categories:
- Two slices of bread with other ingredients between.
- Two halves of a baguette or roll with other ingredients between.
- A single slice of bread with other ingredients on top (an open-faced sandwich).
- A single piece of folded or hollowed bread filled with other ingredients (a pocket sandwich).

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List criteria template for talk page

Hello food and drink editors! I saw that the lead prose for this article does a really good job of communicating the list inclusion criteria as well as the context and rationale for those criteria. There's also a handy template, {{list criteria}}, that you can put at the top of the talk page so that contributors can easily find the criteria as well as the discussion where consensus was established. Here's an example that mirrors the article's prose:

To be included on this stand-alone list, each entry should meet the following list criteria (see discussion):

Every entry should meet the notability criteria for its own article in the English Wikipedia.
Every entry should be a sandwich in the broad American English sense, by falling into one of these categories:
- Two slices of bread with other ingredients between.
- Two halves of a baguette or roll with other ingredients between.
- A single slice of bread with other ingredients on top (an open-faced sandwich).
- A single piece of folded or hollowed bread filled with other ingredients (a pocket sandwich).

Putting this template in the talk page header allows contributors to find the list inclusion criteria very easily because they are explicitly enumerated in a conventional location. Also, by providing a link to the discussion that established the criteria, it gives editors some additional context for why the criteria are the way they are.

Note that I didn't list the submarine sandwich here -- although it is certainly a major type of sandwich worth listing in the lead prose, it's technically a subset of "two halves of a baguette or roll with other ingredients between," so for brevity's sake I omitted it.

I thought about including another line that said something like "Any dish that is called a sandwich in multiple known reliable sources", to capture potential edge cases where these criteria don't correspond to contemporary American English usage, but I wasn't sure if that would be faithful to the intent of the list. I'm not sure what situations it would be useful for anyway.

All right if I go ahead and add this template to the top of the talk page? It's pretty much the same wording as the article text, but I wanted to make sure that it aligned with the understanding of the editors here.

Project Termina (talk) 00:18, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! To be honest, this might be a solution in search of a problem. That said, it seems reasonable to me. What does everybody else think? — Mudwater^(Talk) 11:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Project Termina: Thanks for proceeding with this. It looks good. — Mudwater^(Talk) 22:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of things not seen as sandwich in their original culture

As a German I'm puzzled why Bratwurst and Döner are included in a list of sandwiches. Bratwurst is often enough served lying next to the bread roll, and Döner is far too substantial for a sandwich and in any case both are far, far outside what would be recognised as a sandwich in Germany. Given that this is not the American Wikipedia but rather the English-language Wikipedia, I don't think it makes sense to categorise food by American standards when those American standards make no sense in the cultures where the food in question comes from. Suhusa2 (talk) 13:40, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am also German, and agree, a Bratwurst is not a sandwich, it can be eaten as a sandwich, it is usually served separately from the roll, and the roll is not always even a sandwhich.. A Döner kebab is technically included in the pocket sandwich criteria, and it is important to note that they are technically Turkish in origin, making the classification of Döner as a sandwich warrant some debate. I recommend the removal of Bratwurst from the list, unless someone can think of a good reason to include it.Panderbear01 (talk) 19:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]