Talk:List of nicknames of prime ministers of the United Kingdom

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There may be better links for these nicknames. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.240.216 (talk) 08:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames to Add if citations can be found

Although citations are not to hand, I recall John Major was nicknamed in newspaper comments as "Honest John" and that Pitt the Younger, because of this thinness, was called "The Bottomless Pitt" (I recall reading it in "Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable"). Winston Churchill in a debate speech referred to Ramsay Macdonald as "The Boneless Wonder" (was mentioned in anthology of his wisecracks, titled "Immortal Jester"). Among soldiers certainly the Duke of Wellington was known as "Conky" for his hooked nose, said to be worth a thousand men. Margaret Thatcher was known as "The Witch" as long ago as the late 1970s as a result of portrayals by Soviet cartoonists, and it was not lost on those who promoted the song "The Witch is Dead" after her death. William Gladstone was "Old Glad Eyes" and his G.O.M. for Grand Old Man got reversed to M.O.G. - Murderer of Gordon - following the death of General Gordon in Khartoum despite a relief expedition he sent to save him. If other users can find citations, I am happy for them to be added as the sources are not now in my own possession.Cloptonson (talk) 22:06, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Elevation form a raw list

Would be nice if sourced explanations could be added. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Name

On 25 January 2010‎ User:Neutrality moved "List of British Prime Ministers' nicknames" to List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom by nickname. In it's current form it is more nearly "List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom's nicknames by Prime Minister" but that is far too convoluted.

May I suggest "List of nicknames of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom", All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:38, 26 June 2015 (UTC).[reply]

I would agree with that assessment and support the name change. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:23, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done I was just thinking this and will carry it out. It matches List of nicknames of United States Presidents, and I ~~support American imperialism~~ think it's a more logical form. --BDD (talk) 14:06, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced claims

I have just removed several unsourced entries, several of which were not in the sources purportedly cited. These would appear to be hoaxes: does anyone really believe that Stanley Baldwin was referred to as "Stanz B", or George Goderich as "The Maestro of Mayonnaise". Some of these have been in the article for years, and have been circulated on other web pages, and even in quizzes. It looks as though someone has been using Wikipedia to create several hoaxes; I suggest that citations are sought for all of the entries here, and that those that cannot be credibly verified be removed. RolandR (talk) 23:21, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Stanley Baldwin

I've removed the nicknames The Ironmonger, Uncle Stanley and Stanz B. They were unsourced, were added by anon users, and not mentioned in British Prime Ministers From Balfour to Brown, by Robert Pearce. I also removed "Honest Stan" for the same reasons, but I found a source for that so I put it back. As far as I can find, he was only called "Uncle Stan" by his niece, and I don't think it should be included. There are some sources that mention him being called "The Ironmonger" or "The Iron Monger", but I'm doubtful about the reliability of those sources, especially since the unsourced content has been in the article since 2010 or so and the information could have been lifted from the Wikipedia article. As for "Stanz B" it's just ridiculous vandalism, and has been added since at least 2015.

Please keep an eye on the section and if you think the sources are reliable, add the "The Ironmonger" as a nickname. Sjö (talk) 06:47, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This may have been a reference to his background as director of the family ironworks in Bewdley. Not heard of it myself being used but then I didn't live in his time. Likely sources to investigate might be those that dwell on his industrial past activities.Cloptonson (talk) 18:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't recall ever seeing him nicknamed "The Ironmonger". DuncanHill (talk) 18:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Boris Johnson

We should also try to source and add BoJoke, BloJo and BloJob to Johnson’s nicknames. Overlordnat1 (talk) 15:52, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More Keir Starmer nicknames

From memory, I know of other nicknames for Keir Starmer, that are the following:

Captain Hindsight
Sir Beer Korma (over the Beergate controversy)
Inaction Man (a name used by then-Prime Minister Boris Johnson)

However, I can't find sources to do with them (but did for "Special K", which I've added to the article).

If anybody can find sources for the above names, then I would really appreciate it. Bryn89 (talk) 06:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've also heard him referred to as "Sharia Starmer" on various social media platforms. Joieman (talk) 17:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further to this, another honourable mention: someone on Facebook called him Keir Stasi. Joieman (talk) 10:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keith Stalin, or even Keef Stalin, are terms that many people, myself included, like to use on Twitter to describe ‘our’ current PM (prime monster, that is). There seems to be a recent trend of calling him ‘Wan Kier’ or ‘WanKier’ too, which I hope will continue (as he’s a wanker). —Overlordnat1 (talk) 12:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rishi Sunak

I have heard of Rishi Sunak being referred to as "Fishy Rishi", if someone could find a source for this as well, it would be much appreciated. Joieman (talk) 06:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Joieman: There's this but not sure that alone would be sufficient coverage for inclusion. Most of the references to "Fishy Rishi" seem to come from the Daily Star but as per WP:DAILYSTAR, we can't use it as a source. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have found a few more articles, specifically this one by GBNews (not listed on the guidelines you linked) and this one and this one by the Mirror. Hope this helps Joieman (talk) 10:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to remember the GB News website being included in this list, but it's disappeared. A redirect, WP:GBNEWS, was also recently deleted. I'm not sure what their status is now, though I'd tend to view them as unreliable. This is Paul (talk) 15:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@This is Paul: well we do have WP:DAILYMIRROR which has no consensus on WP:RSP (which is always my usual go-to for reliability of sources). Given GB News is not listed there as unreliable, and given it does have editorial oversight, I see no reason why we can't consider it reliable until the consensus decides otherwise. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I started a discussion about it, and it turns out there is already consensus that GB News is generally regarded as an unreliable source. This is Paul (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's this one from CNBC, who are usually seen as fairly reliable. But really, I would think the term should be either more widely known, or attributable to someone. I suppose it could be attributable to Wootton if others had chosen to do that, but it doesn't appear as though they have, and it doesn't seem to be a widely used nickname. As a comparison, Elon Musk's recent use of the term "Two-tier Keir" was widely reported in the media, and the nickname can be traced back to him. This is Paul (talk) 15:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]