Talk:List of municipalities in Saskatchewan

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Position of Table of Contents

I have moved the Table of Contents to the left of the article, because this is where most readers will expect to find it. (I also feel that it is a slight aesthetic improvement.)

But I see there has been some toing and froing about this. If there is a reason for the ToC to be at the right in this article, maybe those who understand it could explain it here? Maproom (talk) 08:39, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of municipalities in Saskatchewan/archive1. As a help desk request has been issued by AmericanLemming, I will be returning the TOC to the previous position again. Hwy43 (talk) 09:05, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And I now see that is how you caught wind of this. Please review the discussion in the latter half of the FL review if you haven't already, and also review Talk:List of municipalities in Manitoba#Why is the table of contents on the right?. The consensus to this point is floating right is fine based on the rationale provided and Help:Section#Floating the TOC. As the position of the TOC has not been a barrier in successful FL reviews for similar lists, I'd rather us pursue an answer to the question asked at the help desk rather than belabour what has been previously discussed. I'm shutting down for the night. Respectfully, Hwy43 (talk) 09:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I now see that this issue has already been discussed extensively, and that AmericanLemming has taken part in at least two of the discussions. So when he raised the question on the Help Desk, he was forum shopping. Maproom (talk) 11:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Maproom: I'm a little confused. I understand forum shopping to mean asking around at different talk pages/users in an attempt to get people to support my position. In this case, I do prefer to have the TOC on the left, but I now understand that it's okay to have it on the right. When I asked the question at the help desk, I was asking about if it were technically possible to put the TOC floated right and immediately after the first paragraph, which is where Hwy43 and I have agreed is the best position to have it. I respect Hwy43's preference to have it on the right, and he given me good reasons for why it should be there for these types of articles.

If I have indeed been forum shopping, I apologize, and I ask that you would please explain to me what I've done wrong so that I can avoid making the same mistake next time. I've been on Wikipedia for almost a year, but I've still got a lot to learn. Thank you. AmericanLemming (talk) 22:13, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have now read the various discussions more carefully, and I see that you have accepted the (strange, in my view) consensus that the ToC should be right-floated, and that your question on the Help Desk was about how to move it to after the first paragraph. I withdraw, and apologise for, my accusation of forum shopping. Maproom (talk) 12:04, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is not the table of contents. The problem is that the lead in List of municipalities in Saskatchewan does not summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight per WP:LEAD. Instead, it is the body of the article. If the lead is written to comply with WP:LEAD, then that will take care of the TOC issue. While not related to the TOC positioning issue, WP:LEADSENTENCE specifically reads "The first sentence should tell the nonspecialist reader what (or who) the subject is." If someone told you "Saskatchewan is the sixth-most populous province in Canada with 1,033,381 residents as of 2011 and is the fifth-largest in land area at approximately 588,000 km2 (227,000 sq mi)." would you immediately think "List of municipalities in Saskatchewan"? -- Jreferee (talk) 11:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i fully support Jreferee's assessment that there is a lead sentence fail here. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:42, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Two more dissolutions

The villages of Elstow and Rabbit Lake are no longer villages. Elstow dissolved on December 16, 2014 while Rabbit Lake dissolved on October 30, 2015 (see here). Hwy43 (talk) 05:36, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Major error on "Saskatchewan Municipalities" map

The first Saskatchewan map on this page has a major error. It shows an urban municipality (read: city) in red due east of Prince Albert National Park. It's a very large municipality that is actually larger than either Saskatoon or Regina. There is no urban area in this location. In fact other than a couple of villages and Candle Lake Provincial Park there's virtually nothing out here. Maybe it was meant to be a northern municipality? It's definitely wrong, anyway. (Also leaving this message on the talk page for the map itself) 136.159.160.8 (talk) 21:28, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not fixed as there is no error. The map displays urban, rural, and northern municipalities. Urban municipalities in Saskatchewan are defined to include cities, towns, villages, and resort villages. By that definition, the urban municipality in question is the Resort Village of Candle Lake. Hwy43 (talk) 03:46, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rural municipalities

Can there be at least a sentence or two explaining the difference between urban municipalities and rural municipalities? Is it simply the name and/or population? Is there a difference in the form/type of government they are allowed to have? --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:09, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The provincial legislation, former ministry's webpage, and current ministry's webpage all fail to explicitly mention the obvious difference, which is extent of geographic jurisdiction and density of development. Without a reliable source it would likely be WP:OR to include an unreferenced statement to that effect. One thing that differentiates rural municipalities from most urban municipalities rests in s.49 of The Municipalities Act where are RMs are required to have electoral divisions. Surely some cities, being urban municipalities, have electoral divisions or wards likely prescribed under The Cities Act. I am not very active these days, though willing to look into this later when I can spare time. However, perhaps Mattximus is up to the challenge of additional research and writing once a reliable source is found? Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 03:26, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this. If you ever find out, let me know. In that same vein, the requirements listed for a "village" and "resort village" seem to be identical. Is this a case of the difference being the name, or are there requirements unique to either of them? --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:39, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Like Hwy43 I couldn't find any specific requirements. I suspect the definitions may be, at least in part, ad hoc. Mattximus (talk) 12:45, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I did a bit of research to find the difference between a "village" and a "resort village" and was able to find The Municipalities Regulations (https://www.saskatchewan.ca/government/municipal-administration/community-planning-land-use-and-development/municipal-status-and-boundary-changes/establishing-a-village). Apparently, the major factor in incorporation of resort villages as they differ from general villages seems to be just population size and considers both permanent and seasonal residents, though I'm still a bit confused by it. The way I read it is that general villages need 300 permanent residents, and resort villages need only at least 100 permanent residents and then at least another additional seasonal resident to total 300 or more. Furthermore, The Municipalities Act (http://www.publications.gov.sk.ca/redirect.cfm?p=11455&i=17013) mentions differences in the governance of a resort village as prescribed in The Local Government Election Act, 2015. Anyway, for any of you who understand it, please make the appropriate changes to the communities and municipalities pages for Saskatchewan. --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:54, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Updated it myself. --Criticalthinker (talk) 13:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, but I think from a readability point of view these points would be better in paragraph form. Mattximus (talk) 14:42, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]