Talk:List of monuments erected by the United Daughters of the Confederacy

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Rename

If it not about just the monuments erected by one group it needs a rename, also why do we even need this article?Slatersteven (talk) 10:30, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The other groups are ones that are affiliated with the UDC, often (always?) the Ladies groups were folded into the UDC after it was formed. This article is needed because "consensus" at the other article is that information such as who the artists were, what the monuments are made of, inscriptions and any additional information about the monuments is "bloat" except where it fits their agenda. So this will be the only place such information can be found on wikipedia. Carptrash (talk) 15:50, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So it is ma fork.Slatersteven (talk) 17:04, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what a "ma fork" is but it sounds possible. Found it here Wikipedia:Content forking (talk) 17:16, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is very incomplete

Go through List of Confederate monuments and memorials and there are plenty more. deisenbe (talk) 12:34, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I know all about that list, I was editing in it 5 years ago. I am working on this one at my own pace. Feel free to join in. Carptrash (talk) 15:47, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alphabetical by town?

Carptrash. Within each state's section, would it make sense to list the memorials alphabetically by town? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:16, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@BoringHistoryGuy: Yes, it certainly would. I was just testing you. Carptrash (talk) 15:50, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Carptrash:. I hate pop quizzes. What do you think of putting the town/city first, as I did with North Carolina? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:01, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. You know me, leap into the deep end and then wait to be rescued. Often by you, but not always. Carptrash (talk) 16:03, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Washington state is not on this list?

Seattle Washington had several monuments, from the one still standing in the cemetery to the now gone General Robert E. Lee tree of Ravenna Park. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 02:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seattle:
- Robert E. Lee Tree, was one of many trees in Seattle's Ravenna Park, dedicated to persons of note. The tree along with the plaque were removed in 1926.^[1]^[2]
- Monument to Confederate soldiers, Lake View Cemetery. Erected in 1926 by United Daughters of the Confederacy.^[3] Seattle Mayor Ed Murray called for it to be taken down, saying it represents “historic injustices” and is a symbol of hate, racism, and violence. After the Mayor’s statement, the Cemetary closed for several days because of threats related to the monument.^[4]

References

^ Banel, Feliks (May 19, 2017). "Wrestling with the ghosts of Confederate monuments". MYNorthwest. Retrieved May 19, 2017.
^ Horcher, Gary (August 19, 2017). "Washington State Confederate monuments face controversy, again". Kiro 7 News. Retrieved August 19, 2017.
^ Christine Clarridge (August 16, 2017), Seattle’s own monument to the Confederacy was erected on Capitol Hill in 1926 – and it’s still there, The Seattle Times
^ Cornwell, Paige (August 17, 2017). "Seattle Mayor Ed Murray calls for removal of Confederate monument, Lenin statue". Seattle Times. Retrieved November 4, 2017.

Except for the Jefferson Davis Highway markers, this is all I know of, but not familiar with your format to be comfortable installing them on this page. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 13:00, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@C. W. Gilmore: I believe that the accepted, and should be expected, reply to this is "Put them on the list." This list a pretty new, the history of it probably known to you, so it is just getting started, there are several hundred (to make up a number) listings to go. Please, expand it. Carptrash (talk) 19:58, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@C. W. Gilmore: - I added Washington Carptrash (talk) 04:16, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and I will try to get the other one installed the weekend. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 08:08, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway section?

Is the Jefferson Davis Highway project to be included in this list? C. W. Gilmore (talk) 12:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If it is a UDC event then it should be. I am open to suggestions, but I suppose it must be done on a state-by-state basis. Carptrash (talk) 04:18, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I might suggest that you add a paragraph about it and a link to the Jefferson Davis Highway. You don't need to recreate the wheel, IMO C. W. Gilmore (talk) 08:06, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am one of those deluded editors who feel that Lists don't really need "paragraphs." We'll figure something out. In any case I am not sure that a highway falls into the "monument" classification. Carptrash (talk) 01:14, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You started the page so set the guidelines, and for that matter, what of the Robert E. Lee Tree in Seattle? Here you have a 1000+yo Douglas Fir that they slap a plaque on and hold a ceremony dedicating it in honour of Lee, now does that make it a monument? You tell me. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:30, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mon·u·ment (mŏn′yə-mənt)

n. 1. A structure, such as a building or sculpture, erected as a memorial. 2. An inscribed marker placed at a grave; a tombstone. 3. Something venerated for its enduring historic significance or association with a notable past person or thing: the architectural monuments of ancient Rome; traditions that are monuments to an earlier era. 4. a. An outstanding enduring achievement: a translation that is a monument of scholarship. b. An exceptional example: "Thousands of them wrote texts, some of them monuments of dullness" (Robert L. Heilbroner). 5. An object, such as a post or stone, fixed in the ground so as to mark a boundary or position.

I will not argue the guidelines, I just want to know clear boundries for inclusion on this page so I can follow them. Thanks C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:30, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for not arguing but one editor here does not get to set the guidelines for anything. I was editing at the CSA m&m article 5 years ago when Beaumont Lane in Atkins, Alabama (or wherever) would never have been accepted. Now there are a hundred of them. (non-scientific count) My opinion is that a plaque on an old tree does not make it a monument. Likewise a "memorial highway" is a memorial, not, in my parlance, a monument. I have my library on a website. I searched for "monuments (got 178 hits) and "memorials(61 hits - probably several of them repeats). I doubt that any of them would include Beaumont Lane or Robert E Lee tree. Carptrash (talk) 03:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if it belongs

I noted that your criteria includes monuments of joint UDC and SCV; the page I am working on [1] appears to mostly be run by the SCV, but their sign says sponsored by both [2]. Perhaps it also belongs? C. W. Gilmore (talk) 05:35, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Williamson County Courthouse

There is a monument that I don't know the name of but is referenced here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Soldiers_and_Sailors_Monument_(Georgetown,_Texas) Citation here: https://communityimpact.com/austin/georgetown/history/2020/06/04/a-brief-history-of-the-confederate-statue-in-front-of-the-williamson-county-courthouse — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.186.24 (talk) 16:35, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lakeland, FL Munn Park

The Confederate monument in Munn Park has been dismantled and moved to Veteran's Park. https://www.theledger.com/news/20190322/confederate-monument-removed-from-downtown-lakeland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.224.119.143 (talk) 04:42, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Banel, Feliks (May 19, 2017). "Wrestling with the ghosts of Confederate monuments". MYNorthwest. Retrieved May 19, 2017.

[2] Horcher, Gary (August 19, 2017). "Washington State Confederate monuments face controversy, again". Kiro 7 News. Retrieved August 19, 2017.

[3] Christine Clarridge (August 16, 2017), Seattle’s own monument to the Confederacy was erected on Capitol Hill in 1926 – and it’s still there, The Seattle Times

[4] Cornwell, Paige (August 17, 2017). "Seattle Mayor Ed Murray calls for removal of Confederate monument, Lenin statue". Seattle Times. Retrieved November 4, 2017.

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