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Edit requests

Hi. I'd been tracking the page since the beginning of the conflict, and now, since it obtained a plausible look, I've come up with some requests, which I can't do by myself, as I'm a couple edits short of breaching the block (and, perhaps, not even supposed to be here) :

1. Change YMD dates to MDY, the format used more frequently in Wikipedia pages (2023-10-07 → October 7, 2023)

2. Delete Ongoing in End date columns, as it's already listed in Result column. Also, Battle of Jabalia should be listed as Ongoing, date in Result of Siege of Khan Yunis should be removed (what does it mean actually?), MV Maersk Hangzhou's "repelled atacks" should be colored as if Israeli victory (it's obvious which side the US/UK and Houthis have taken), perhaps the years like "2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel", "Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)", "2024 Erbil attack" should be dropped until they obtain significance (e.g. when 2024 Hamas-led attack on Israel occurs) and North Gaza insurgency should be removed, as the article already features elements of its location and the fact of insurgency itself belongs more to the timeline page.

3. Perhaps we should consider rearranging the page in parts regarding the Hamas-led attack on Israel and the massacres. As there is no consensus on how to treat the attack and now it seems like there is basically no result of it at all, I would suggest moving the list of massacres (now a section called Raids into southern Israel from Gaza and also featuring two independent and misplaced Israeli engagements) to the top and introducing the initial attack outside the "campaigns" table, alongside the massacres.

4. Move the two events of Reported violence against unarmed people (from 9 October onwards) from the section about massacres perpetrated by Hamas to a new section, like "Other notable events" for the sake of consistency, not to mention some of the cells are either blank or provide insufficient information. Also, remove the Palestine map concerning these two events as it's consuming too much place and what it shows isn't worth it until there are only locations of murdered journalists (better use the map of Southern Lebanon and Gaza Strip on their own)

5. In "Massacres" (or Locations of raids into Southern Israel from Gaza) table, remove Civilian/Military deaths, Hostages and Date cells as uninformative. If the hostage topic is important to mention, better do it in written text. Also, instead of the top row better use bottom "Total", and merge the rows "Nahal Oz" and "kibbutz Nahal Oz" as they're the same thing.

6. Merge Operation Prosperity Guardian into Red Sea crisis in "Campaigns", as the former is the responce to the latter. Also, it would be more consistent if the missle strikes in Yemen would be moved to airstrikes table.

7. If possible, somehow divide series of airstrikes that are continious and happened multiple times (that are listed as "ongoing") and the singular ones (that have an exact date, one or two days) in Long distance attacks against Israel. Also, remove the quote marks and write "Projectiles" with a capital.

Eagowl | talk | 07:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 2 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Killarnee (talk) 22:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

List of engagements during the Israel–Hamas war → List of military engagements during the Israel–Hamas war – Simply having "engagements" in the title of the article is unnecessarily ambiguous. Are these "engagements" limited to military ones, or do they also include attacks on civilians (the article currently seems to include both)? I think the attacks on civilians are better suited for articles such as War crimes in the Israel–Hamas war, and limiting the article to military engagements would also be WP:CONSISTENT with the List of military engagements during the Russian invasion of Ukraine article. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:21, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gödel2200, BarrelProof, and FortunateSons: To answer Gödel2200's question ”Are these "engagements" limited to military ones“, from the previous move request it seems like settlers' attacks on civilians are included.
I ask because removing the 2023 part is probably undisputed, but I don't feel comfortable moving a page back to the same title apart from the year, because the previous page move was only half a year ago and I cannot see that the page content has changed that much.
Thanks. Killarnee (talk) 20:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
What content that is currently in the article would need to be removed if the renaming takes place? Are any settler attacks on civilians current described in the article? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Iraq Syria Jordan theater

The militias have stopped attacking us bases and the Wikipedia page has given an end date to the Iraq Syria and Jordan attacks so please update Yousifali777 (talk) 16:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Battles and their outcomes

This is specifcially for the northern axis of gaza. In December, when israel had just withdrawn from beit hanoun, i labelled the battle "inconclusive" as the withdrawal seemed voluntary with a weakened hamas in the town. However the palestinian militants seem rooted in their towns and have even attacked israeli forces stationed east of beit hanoun readily. In this case, would it not be a clear vicotry for the militants as israeli forces have failed to clear the towns? I will try to discuss before changing The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 14:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

this makes no sense ahahhahaha 76.69.250.194 (talk) 15:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Disputed discussion & contradiction template

For the disputed discussion & contradictory statements and discussion see: Talk:Siege of Khan Yunis#Result Discussion - RFC. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Claiming x engagement is a palestinian victory because the israeli forces withdrew is not a good standard

For example the siege of Khan Yunis is marked as a Palestinian victory despite that Hamas (according to the wiki article) lost over 3000 fighters whilst Israel lost 51. Its very misleading to simply use Calleastrom95 (talk) 22:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Changing the result

@Based guyy:, please do not change the result section in the table for the Siege of Khan Yunis until the ongoing Request for Comment discussion concludes. The result section, at this moment, matches the exact result section of the article. Please comment in that discussion and please do not try to self-impose the victor in the article as you have done several times already. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Result of the attack on U.S. Bases

On the result table, it shows the attacks on U.S. bases as ongoing. This is outdated. It should be updated. Probably a good conclusion would be "U.S. victory" or "Attacks halted". TimothyforGod (talk) 20:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

It's still 4 days and nothing has been done. Please let the table section under attacks on U.S. bases be updated. TimothyforGod (talk) 12:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 May 2024

There have been three operations in the village of zeitoun in gaza . You should add Battle of Zeitoun or Zeitoun operations in the list dividing it in three phases. 2409:4089:AB0C:5877:441C:200:42D3:66F7 (talk) 12:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 19:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Add "ongoing"

Hi, I noticed that there are some boxes that should say "ongoing" but they don't say anything and I would like to be able to fill them in Paolo Gutarra (talk) 19:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Very unreliable sources

WP:ECR. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Several of the outcomes of this battle are sourced from the Palestine Chronicle, which employed freelancers which took hostages for Hamas. Regardless of your opinion on the war, Hamas lost control and took substantially more casualties, and their propaganda doesn’t really prove they won coke (talk) 22:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Qwertyvip:, if that is the case, I encourage you to open up a discussion over at the reliable source noticeboard. I just did a quick search through the discussion archives (located at WP:RSP) and the "Palestine Chronicle" hasn't been the subject of a direct discussion yet, so it is currently under the presumption of being reliable until proven otherwise over at the noticeboard (per the standard silence guideline). If it is an unreliable source, start a discussion over there and make sure to provide some reliable sources specifically about the Palestine Chronicle to help show other editors why it should be deemed unreliable. If the noticeboard has a consensus which determines the Palestine Chronicle is an unreliable source, then the citations should be removed from the article. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Everything is all messed up

Locations and dates are placed in the wrong categories in multiple areas, things out of order in some areas, looks more like an art collage than a neat list of documentation. I tried to fix some things but just gave up. Evaporation123 (talk) 20:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Disregard the above, I managed to fix the problems. Apologies for the frustrated tone haha. Evaporation123 (talk) 01:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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