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On 5 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from List of Mayors and Lord Mayors of Perth to List of mayors and lord mayors of Perth. The result of the discussion was moved.

Source data

Source: details provided by email to User:Moondyne by Admin Support Officer, City of Perth. 14 July 2006.

Unformatted raw data as received below:

Perth City Council

MAYORS

Mayors	Period Of Office
George Shenton	1880
S H Parker George Shenton	1881
George Shenton	1882   84
G Randell	1885
George Shenton	1886
Sir George Shenton	1887   88
Dr E Scott	1889   91
E Keane	1891
E Keane
S H Parker	1892
Alexander Forrest	1893   95
Alexander Forrest	1900
W Brookman
S H Parker
William T Loton	1901
William T Loton	1902
Harry Brown	1903
Harry Brown	1904
Harry Brown	1905
Sydney Stubbs	1906   7
T G A Molloy	1911   12
J H Prowse	1913   ] 4
John Nicholson	1915
Frank R Rea	19] 6   17
William Lathlain	1918   20
Sir William Lathlain	1921   23
James T Franklin	1927
Hon James T Franklin	1928   29


 
Perth City Council/City of Perth

LORD MAYORS

LORD MAYORS	Period of Office
Hon. James T Franklin	1929   30
Hon. Sir William Lathlain	1930   32
Hon. James T Franklin	1932   34
Joseph J Poynton	1934   37
Charles Harper	1937   1939
Thomas W Meagher	1940   45
Joseph Totterdell	(Knighted 1953) 1946   53
James Murray	1953   55
Harold R Howard	(Knighted 1961) 1955   64
Charles J B Veryard	1964   67
Thomas E Wardle	(Knighted 1970) 1967   72
Ernst Lee Steere	(Knighted 1978) 1972   78
Frederick C Chaney	(Knighted 1982) 1978   82
Michael A Michael	1982   88
Charles F Hopkins	1988   91
Reginald G Withers	1991   94
Dr Peter Nattrass	1995   Present
 
Perth City Council/City of Perth

TOWN CLERKS/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICERS

Town Clerks	Period Of Office
T Farrelly	1858   64
J G Flindel	1864   65
T Smith	1865   69
T Lazenby	1869   81
W E Victor	1881   97
Harry E Petherick	1897   1900
William E Bold	1900   44
W A (Allen) Mc Green	1944   66
G O (Ossie) Edwards	1966   81
Reginald F Dawson	1981   94
Garry Hunt 
Chief Executive Officer	1995   2002
Frank Edwards
Chief Executive Officer	2002 - Present

 
PERTH TOWN TRUST (1838   1858)

CHAIRMAN

G LEAK	1838   40
R HINDS	1841
W B ANDREWS	1842
THOMAS HELMS	1843   45
JAMES PERKINS	1846   48
THOMAS HELMS, D SCOTT	1849
H L COLE	1853
GEORGE SHENTON	1854   55
GOERGE SHENTON, L LEAKE	1856
GEORGE SHENTON	1857   58


PERTH CITY COUNCIL

CHAIRMAN

H L COLE	1858 60
J G C CARR	1861   63
J G C CARR, A HILLMAN, G HAYSON	1864
J G C CARR	1865   68
J G C CARR, G GLYDE	1869
G GLYDE	1870   73
G RANDELL	1874
GEORGE SHENTON	1875   77
S H PARKER	1878   79

Moondyne 01:57, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Sir Ernest Lee-Steere

Sir Ernest was LM of Perth 1972-78. He was born 22 December 1912, and he's either 95 now, or dead. I can find no info about his death on the internet. If he has died, can anyone advise me when he died? -- JackofOz (talk) 04:30, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A belated reply. As far as I can tell he's still kicking. I knocked up Ernest Henry Lee-Steere anyway. I'll use your date of birth. Djanga 13:10, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well done. Thanks. -- JackofOz (talk) 20:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He's dead now (9 January 2011). -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 07:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Charles Nathan

I've removed Charles Nathan from the list. Both the ADB and David Black's biographical register of WA parliamentarians say that he was mayor in 1914 (or from 1914 to 1915), but going through Trove I can find no mention of his ever being mayor – something like that would obviously come up in an obituary. This article in The West clearly states that Prowse was immediately succeeded by Nicholson as mayor. Not sure how the Charles Nathan myth got started. IgnorantArmies (talk) 08:06, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch! The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:28, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ditto. Nice work IA. Perhaps a footnote against Nicholson explaining the discrepancy is appropriate. Moondyne (talk) 08:31, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I can only assume Mossenson at the ADB got it wrong somehow (or one of his sources), and that was carried forward by Black and Bolton. I notice Nathan wasn't mentioned on the list you got from the City of Perth (above). IgnorantArmies (talk) 10:11, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Does someone maybe want to tell the ADB so this rumor stops? Trove, particularly at its current depth, has provided an opportunity to fact-check their articles that didn't exist before and that they didn't have at the time. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:21, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 May 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move the article has been established within the RM time period and thus defaulting to not moved. Additionally, the !votes for "oppose" were significantly more detailed and thus resulting in a greater consensus on the !votes. (non-admin closure) — Music1201 ^talk 22:13, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Mayors and Lord Mayors of Perth → List of mayors and lord mayors of Perth – All other lists of this type are spelt without caps, except for the name of the city. In June 2008 this list was moved to the correct spelling, but that move was reverted without explanation. Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:47, 1 May 2016 (UTC) -- Relisted. Anarchyte (work | talk) 08:42, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and per MOS:JOBTITLES. IgnorantArmies (talk) 09:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
comment wouldnt that be for the Mayor/Lord Mayor City of Perth as thats the full title and not metro Perth which are two separate entities. Gnangarra 10:17, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- All the other major city mayor articles are at just the city. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:38, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "Lord Mayor of Perth" is a proper name, similar to "King of France", a title mentioned at MOS:JOBTITLES. See also List of Presidents of the United States for a similar example to this. — Amakuru (talk) 16:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Per Amakuru. The Drover's Wife (talk) 17:50, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The other lists, I'm afraid, are simply wrong. It's List of Prime Ministers of Australia, after all. Frickeg (talk) 03:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? - this requested move has sat with 2 supports and 4 clear opposes, and a weird embedded relist has been inserted inside the text above today. I fail to see why the 'relist' which says nothing has been inserted. relisted? where? why? there is insufficient support for the move and thats it. JarrahTree 14:13, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 5 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. List of mayors of Perth has been suggested, but there is no explicit consensus on it yet. Proposing an additional move request now for that suggestion is permissible (suggest listing all similarly titled pages for consistency). (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 14:02, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Mayors and Lord Mayors of Perth → List of mayors and lord mayors of Perth – This move was denied in 2016, but the style manual has changed since. Would now conform to both MOS:JOBTITLES as well as all other similarly named articles:

Note: the talk page title doesn't match the current article title. Woko Sapien (talk) 13:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard the note about the talk page; it has since been moved. --Woko Sapien (talk) 14:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per the consensus reached at Talk:List of presidents of the United States/Archive 13#Requested move 27 July 2019 changing the title of an article which ironically was used to oppose this move during the previous request.--65.92.163.98 (talk) 21:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another example used to oppose before was List of Prime Ministers of Australia, which is now at List of prime ministers of Australia. — BarrelProof (talk) 06:10, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support lowercase plural per MOS:JOBTITLES and various RMs of recent years. I think that in some similar prior cases, similar titles were simplified to just "List of mayors of X", and that might also be worth considering. — BarrelProof (talk) 05:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One prior case was List of Mayors and Lord Mayors of Manchester, which was moved to List of mayors of Manchester. — BarrelProof (talk) 06:06, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest List of mayors of Perth as more concise: See the entries in {{Lists of lord mayors in the United Kingdom}}. Many of those have titles that are "List of mayors of X". — BarrelProof (talk) 00:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per MOS:JOBTITLES and to make it WP:CONSISTENT with the other articles. Rublov (talk) 14:17, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.