Talk:List of iCarly characters

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Spencers Sexuality?

first off, why would something like this come to question in the first place in regards to a childrens television show, and second of all, having watched the show i have seen him with women various times. in the episode where carly takes an art class he makes out with the teacher. i think thats proof enough. i just wanna know why the article implies that he is not homosexual, but ASEXUAL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.154.149.11 (talk) 19:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, in the dance episode, he finds himself in a dress surrounded by cute boys and says, "I don't know what's going on... but I think I like it!" Then later in the episode where Neville steals their website, Carly asks Spencer what dress size he wears and he immediately responds with a 10. Both of these imply he's at least a crossdresser, if not a homosexual (the first reference). Also there have been a few, "iffy," remarks from him. Like, in the episode where the iCarly gang is taking care of chicks, and Spencer finds one in his shower, he says, "Good thing I found out [it was a chick and not soap] before I-" it's possible he was going to do something homosexual with it. And lastly, in the episode you already mentioned, when Carly's going to the art classes, when she first is going to ask Spencer for art lessons, she sits down and says, "Hey, can I ask you something?" and Spencer responds with, "You didn't go into my room did you?" nervously. This implies there's something in his room he doesn't want her to see, which is probably sexual, and could be homosexual. I do admit he's been with many females and there's no doubt he's attracted to them; but he is at least a crossdresser, and possibly bisexual. Definitely not asexual though. 209.173.122.191 (talk) 23:32, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

first of all, the dancing thing was becasue it was the same thing carly dreamt when she was sitting there. and you dont always have control over what you do in a dream. the chick comment was probally meaning he was going to start scrubbing himself, which deffinatally wouldnt be good for a chick. the room comment, well i know numerous people who are territorial about there room(me amognst them) and its fairly common. plus he might have had somthing sexual in a non homo way which he still wouldnt want carly seeing. anyway, theres tons of times you see him dating, kissing, or making out with women. youve fund only 3 things that could point towards homosexualiy and only the last thing is somwhat realistic. 69.115.204.217 (talk) 21:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I believe that Spencer is bisexual because of the dancing scene and the awards show with the swimsuit models. He still often makes out with girls and other things.Naomim10 (talk) 20:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'm a guy from iCarly wiki, and we're just reminding you people that iCarly is a comedy show! It's full of Innuendo: there was controversy regarding Freddie's apartment. So Spencer isn't Gay, he's Not Straight, he's fictional. He doesn't exist in real life. --Edward Rankin (talk) 23:54, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

But theoretically, if he was real, which would he be? 2602:306:C405:A90:5D0B:DB9D:14F7:5144 (talk) 21:54, 21 December 2014 (UTC)Dylan

Name

How do we know her name is Carligan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeneral28 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Better yet, how does anybody know the name of the teacher who fell out of her chair in "iGot Detention" was named Miss Larkin? ----DanTD (talk) 03:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Help!

I could really use your help guys. I need references and I need time....both which I hav none of. So if you have wiki experience and knowledge of all things iCarly; it would really help:) Paycheckgurl (talk) 01:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Freddie

In the episode iHurt Lewbert he does not wear a belt and you can see his orange boxers.

I think this should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.226.59.215 (talk) 03:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok sure...I'm not 100% it's notable but if you have a source or a specific episode number go ahead (Actually I'm still looking for a lot of sources :P) Paycheckgurl (talk) 22:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

does underwear color really matter? 69.115.204.217 (talk) 22:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Disapearing Section

The Minor Characters sction has almost completly disapeared. I'll revert but could someone please explain why this happened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paycheckgurl (talk • contribs) 00:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok fine I'll just delete the section all together (no one too important was there anyway)Paycheckgurl (talk) 00:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Red Actor Links

Some of the characters are played by actors that do not have wiki pages set up yet, and their links appear in red text. I think that they should be left in there, so that if their page is created, the link will already exist and help keep that page from being deleted for being an orphan. Also, it lets fans of those character/actors know that the actor's page doesn't exist yet, and gives a quick link to create it. Even though the red links look messy, I think they should stay. Peabody80 (talk) 13:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Notability of one-off characters

Is it really necessary to include every single character that has ever appeared on iCarly on this page? Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 18:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

It's a free world, especially based on America's constitution.Neptune123456 (talk) 11:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Proof

Provide proof of characters full names before adding themJeneral28 (talk) 20:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Sam's Age

Sam Puckett is 16 (or will be soon.) If you listen to the soundtrack, it mentions that Sam repeated the third grade. I am assuming, from seeing every episode of iCarly, that Sam is in the same grade and Carly and Freddie. And usually, people in one grade aren't in the same classes as people from a higher grade, unless the lower grade person is really smart. And Sam doesn't seem to be the type of person that really cares to get grades any better than they absolutely need to be. Please, stop changing her age. Think about this. Once Bread becomes toast, you can't make it back into bread. (talk) 03:22, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Where is this from?147.188.244.61 (talk) 11:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

The soundtrack Think about this. Once Bread becomes toast, you can't make it back into bread. (talk) 01:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Gibby's last name

Gibby's middle name is Cornelius. That is revealed in the episode when he tries to get Shannon to like her. But i don't know an episode where his last name "Carlson", is said. What episode? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeteHastings (talk • contribs) 02:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

This is ridiculously long; delete some names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.112.162 (talk) 01:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What happened to my edits? I removed the useless characters, but the page was reverted back to what it was before. How do I change it back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.112.162 (talk) 22:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

His last name is Gibson. Revealed in "iSpeed Date" Bulldogsaysgrr (talk) 05:04, 27 September 2009 (UTC) It says "The Gibsons" on the mailbox.

You don't know that, it could be a nickname.
Gibby
Gibson BelieVerr (talk) 22:34, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Gibby can be a nickname (Gibson, Gibby) Get it? --99.191.117.189 (talk) 21:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Article split and merge

To explain. As shown at the top of this page 5 characters were split out into separate articles June 13, 2009. This was done with no discussion to gain consensus as suggested (but not required) at WP:SPLIT. This resulted in 5 articles that did not meet the basic notability requirements for articles as shown at WP:N - no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject.

I and another editor merged back the articles for that reason. Notability not shown.

This article is getting long and a split may be indicated at some point possibly splitting out a list of main characters article. Before that happens this article needs to be tightened up a lot. It is currently written too much like a fan site with much more detail than is necessary for a list of characters article. --NrDg 03:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Not that I reject the fact that the article has some serious issues, as well as the attempted splits(because I don't), but the fact that you merged them at least two of them as I was attempting to clean them up doesn't seem like good judgement on your part. ----DanTD (talk) 03:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The first was an edit conflict - you made your changes after I moved the contents into the main article but before I did the redirect. I had both articles open so didn't know about the conflict until I did the saves. The second was done after your edits. I did try to be careful. --NrDg 04:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Seddie?

Oooookay, on 8/06/09 someone wrote that Sam & Freddie are in love. Whoever you I don't know what show your watching but that hasn't happened yet. I would love that but please stop changing important information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.184.69 (talk) 00:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC) In "iOMG" it is revealed that Sam is in love with Freddie. Freddie, however has not acted on any feelings toward Sam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.184.217.215 (talk) 16:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Listing of friends and enemies

Is really that relevant to list all of the particular friends or enemies of the four major character of the series? I don't think so. If there is any very relevant mention to do (e.g. Nevel Papperman, who has been an enemy of the iCarly crew since almost the beginning of the series), it may well be included in the text, not in a separate list. I propose to remove those listings. After all, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Being on a free world or free country is not an excuse. Wikipedia aims to become a high quality information resource. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpag87a (talk • contribs) 20:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Spencer and Freddie's Mom

In the episode iChristmas Carly saw that if Spencer was normal he and Freddie's Mom would be married. Shouldn't this be added into Spencer's section? I know that this type of thing wouldn't usually be added, but I think they in reailtly like each other.

What do you think? User:Waltermelon —Preceding undated comment added 01:41, 13 December 2009 (UTC).

That never happened, in the alternate reality she probably started liking him because he was normal and he probably liked her because he was normal also. It all leads to him being normal, which he isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.1.119.181 (talk) 18:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Carly Shay article

I've redirected the article Carly Shay (character) back to here. The article was essentially one big plot summary without any reliable sources, thus failing the Wikipedia guideline for notability. If anyone wants to recreate the article, please do so only with these notability guidelines in mind. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 07:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Minor Characters

Terrene- A girl that attends Carly's school and who seems to be very hyper all the time. Carly mentions to Sam and Freddie that she likes Terrene, but feels like she needs a nap after talking to her after Terrene tells the iCarly gang rabout how she saw a teacher at a Cuttlefish concert(a popular band, that Carly happens to be fond of). This information gives Carly and her friends the idea to follow mean teachers around after school to see what they do.

Carl the police officer- During an attempt to make iCarly more popular, Spencer makes a light up sign that promotes iCarly that hangs overhead of a highway. But when the light up board shorts out, the message reads "pee on Carl". Spencer then gets arrested, only to realize that the officer's name is Carl (who does not want to share his hand lotion with Spencer, who requests it).71.201.178.188 (talk) 21:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

False Character Information

There needs to be an IF in the carly shay section. Carly & Freddie are not going to be a couple when the cast comes of. Key word "IF" she still feels that way. You cant leave out important details.

In the Freddie section it states they are in a relationship. Did you watch the episode? They never became a couple. Carly's "I Don't Know, Maybe" to Freddies "Are we BF and GF." makes it clear they were not.

If wikipedia ever wants respect you need to get the details right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.159.47 (talk) 05:39, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Grammar and Spelling of Article

I think someone needs to go through the grammar of this article. I went through and spell checked it, but my grammar isn't perfect.

Birthdates

Really? Not without sourcing. If they aren't sourced soon, I'm removing them. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:16, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Father

Several times (IIRC) they've said Carly's father is stationed on a submarine, mentioned again in "iWon't Cancel the Show". However, the same episode says he's in the Air Force. WTF? The Air Force on a submarine?

Currently, the article says Navy. But does the show ever specify "U. S. Navy"? - SummerPhD (talk) 18:35, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Seddie

Parts of Seddie could be merged with this article, while other parts merged with ICarly. -- Confession0791 (talk) 03:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

• Smerge - Seddie completely lacks individual notability. There are zero independent sources. Small pieces of it should be merged. The rest should be trashed. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Mrs. Gibson

Is there substantial evidence that Charlotte Gibson was played by two different actresses? If so, it needs a reference. Confession0791 (talk) 04:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Gibby isn't a main character

Why is Gibby listed as a main character. He's probably not in half the show's episodes. It's like saying Newman is a main character on Seinfeld or Dr. Weird is a main character on Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Therabbot (talk) 02:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

lol, Aqua Teen. Actually, as of Season Four, Gibby (Noah Munck) IS credited as a main character in the titles, so one is to assume that he is a main character. 66.60.210.32 (talk) 11:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Sam and Freddie

"In "iSpeed Date", when Sam sees Freddie and Carly dancing to a slow song at the Groovy Smoothie, she silently walks away, looking back at the two with a hurt expression, giving the impression that she may secretly posess feelings for Freddie."

Is there any proof of this? In my opinion, it looks like she simply doesn't want to ruin the moment for them. ~ Wikipedian19265478 (talk) 21:10, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Wesley

It says that Wesley is skilled at beatboxing. However, he doesn't seem to be very good at it to me(and Carly and Sam seem to agree in iPilot). What do you guys think? ~ Wikipedian19265478 (talk) 06:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

iCarly season 3/4

okay on othersites people are saying iCarly is saying season 3. Also nathan and the stars saying they are saying they are shooting season 3. So I just want opions on what should we do should we movie everying back into season 2 for season 3 or what. It got confussing after the new opening titles were added. I would like to hear everyone thought on this before we merge every back into season 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saylaveer (talk • contribs) 14:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Split

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus is to not split the article

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I think the main characters are now notable enough to revisit splitting them into their own articles. Wizards of Waverly Place, The Suite Life on Deck, etc. have separate articles for their main characters, so I don't see why ICarly should be any different. --Confession0791 ^talk 20:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

There are two references for this entire article. These do not demonstrate notability of the characters by any means. Third party references that demonstrate notability need to be added to the article before a split can be considered. "Other articles exist" is not a good argument. There's probably good reason why the Wizards of Waverly Place characters should be merged into one article. The Suite Life characters are a different kettle of fish. The main characters have appeared in more than one series and it's easier to manage individual articles for each character, rather than juggle two or three different articles for each character that are relevant only to each series, since the roles overlap. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey, why SHOULDN'T we seperate the articles? I have some extra stuff to write about the characters anyway, and it wouldn't make a lot of sense to squeeze ALL that stuff into a Level 3 section. Questions? Comments? Leave it on my talk page, and ill message u back if necessery. CrazyApple1998 (talk) 23:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazyApple1998 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

If ur interested in the split, let me know on my talk page. CrazyApple1998 (talk) 15:16, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree, (Don't know if an IP's vote counts...) --98.243.175.77 (talk) 23:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - as AussieLegend has already stated, the article has barely any sources. None of these characters have notability, which means impact outside the series. None of them have received deep coverage by reliable secondary sources or impact in popular culture. --LoЯd ۞pεth 03:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't really have a problem with the idea of the main character pages being split, but there doesn't appear to be that much information about each character that would warrant splitting their pages, and going by the "notability" standard - there simply isn't enough to demonstrate their notability outside of the context of the show. BTW - I noticed the "proposed-split" tag has been on the article page since October, so I'm just curious - How long is a "proposal" tag like this intended to stay on the main page before a decision is made and the tag is removed? --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 08:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Page Reformatting

I've just moved the "Contents box" to the right of the page to make the article easier for the reader to navigate. I would ordinarily leave the "Contents" guide where it usually appears under the "default" setting, but with every single character that's ever been on the show given their own sub-section on this page, it's made the Contents box a mile-long (the longest I've ever seen on a character page) and made it a hassle to have to "scroll" down to find the beginning of the article. I realize that the "Contents box" can be "hidden", but most people just take the page as it is, so I believe formatting is important in this case. I know I could have created a "poll" to ask everyone what they thought about the "idea" of reformatting, but I just thought it was easier for people to decide if they could see the reformatted page, instead of me trying to describe my proposal here and everybody "voting" on it for 6 months, etc, etc. This way - If everybody really thinks it was better the way it was before then we can just revert the page to the previous format. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 08:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Namecruft

I have removed a lot a namecruft (editor invented formal names, middle names, last names, nicknames) from this article [1] and am dubious about any non-credited character name that does not have some support in some other source - IMDB is somewhat reliable for casting and I checked both the show and actor articles for credited character names.

There should be, and I expect to see, a reference, of some sort, to support any enhancement to the credited name. A reasonably good reference would be an episode name with some summary statement in the reference about how that name was revealed in that episode. At least to show that is not just some made up name. Unfortunately it is a fairly common form of vandalism to add made up names to character articles and without references impossible to differentiate between good and bad faith edits in this area.

Editors should also consider whether or not the name enhancements are really important to the character description. If the name is mentioned only once and never commonly used it is kind of trivial to have in this article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

As noble as your efforts are, in many of the cases, the names are accurate. Some examples;

• • Sam is short for "Samantha," and there have been numerous random occasions where it has been used on the show.
  • Freddie Benson has been called "Fredward" by his mother on random occasions.
  • Gibby's middle name was revealed to be "Cornelius" in the episode "iWin a Date"(It was mentioned by Noah Munck's character, but I don't have a copy of the script), and a scene at his house in the episode "iSpeed Date" his surname has was posted on the mailbox at the front door as "The Gibsons."
  • Lewbert the Doorman's last name was revealed to be "Sline" in the episode "iFind Lewbert's Lost Love."
  • Nevel Papperman mentioned his middle name as "Amadeus" in the episode "iPity the Nevel."
  • Charlotte is Gibby's mother she's going to share the surname "Gibson." The same goes for Guppy.
  • Chuck's surname is "Chambers." Chris Harper, who played as his father is credited as "Mr. Chambers," and in some episodes Jerry Trainor's character has called him that by name.
  • "Mandy" Valdez is short for "Amanda" and her correct name was mentioned in "iWant My Website Back."
  • Prinicpal Frankin's name is Ted. Tim Russ's character has called himself that, and if I recall, it is also included on a sign on his desk(although the episode where this can be found escapes me at the moment).
  • Superintendent Gorman was called "Harold" by Francine Briggs(Mindy Sterling) during one scene in the episode "iHave My Principles."
  • Missy's last name was mentioned as "Robinson" in the episode iReunite with Missy by both Miranda Cosgrove and David St. James' characters.
  • Simon's surname was mentioned as "Kendall" in both the Pilot episode and the episode "iCarly Awards."
  • You were right about "Brennan Yubberly"
  • Marta's last name was mentioned as Trundel in the episode iFind Lewbert's Lost Love."
  • Nora Dirshlitt did mention her surname in the episode "iPsycho." The only true debate regarding that character is the spelling of her surname, which many fans have gotten wrong.

As far as revealing sources, the only ways I can possibly think of doing this is by using fansites(including the iCarly Wiki, which contains screencaps proving some of the names), possibly using Nickelodeon's official site if it has this relevant info, or making illegal YouTube copies. ----DanTD (talk) 04:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I expected that some of the names were accurate, I just didn't KNOW that. What you did above is great and is exactly what I was looking for. It is sufficient for references. There is no real need to use anything other than the primary source, the episodes themselves. As long as the episodes are available for viewing in some manner to people who care to check, you have a verifiable reference. Just basically wrap ref tags around your above text (reword a bit) for each name enhancement and you have a valid reference. Of course cite episode template would make it look prettier. You could also just add the above as text to the name description as justification, but I think references/footnotes would be less intrusive to the descriptive flow. I still think this is trivia but have no problems with it being in the article.

The only issue I have is "Charlotte is Gibby's mother she's going to share the surname Gibson." In real life you cannot make that assumption about women having the same last name as their children. Children can have their father's last name and their mother may retain her maiden name after marriage for example. Charlotte's last name should be explicit in some episode. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, I would've thought I needed more than this, but okay. I understand why you doubt that Charlotte's last name might be "Gibson," but she does live in the same house, so it's always possible she might've kept her maiden name. While we're at it, "Nate" has a surname that was mentioned by Miranda Cosgrove's character in the episode "iSpeed Date;" it was "Garner." Incidentally, I was also going to make a list of edits that I knew you were right about. I could still do that if you'd like. ----DanTD (talk) 05:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

It is not really necessary to show where I was correct, I just need to see support that shows where I deleted valid names so those names can be added back to the article. I started doing this by following various anons who make it a habit to invent names in articles and I caught a major one editing here. The credited names give us a starting point and I propose the credited names be the section header with the enhanced referenced name at the start of the descriptive paragraph. I will put back the names I removed and use the references you provided if you would like me to do so or you could do it and I will help. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I made a quick pass adding the reference provided above as a refs= section in the reflist and added named references where needed. This still needs work but it is a start. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

It would be real nice, but not strictly necessary, if you or someone could provide a time-stamp within the episode used to support the name enhancements. That makes independent verification much easier. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I suppose you're right, Geraldo, but I wish I knew how to do that. As far as another of your edits goes, the only time the name "Carlotta" was used for the main character was in the episode "iDate a Bad Boy" when Sam broke into their apartment and kept trying to call her. That's obviously not evidence of her full name, but at least there's an origin behind it. ----DanTD (talk) 11:55, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

That's evidence good enough to support adding "Carlotta" as her formal name - another character using it in the show. All I need to see when uncredited names are added is episode support for the addition. In this case I had assumed it is just the common practice of editors presuming a formal name for a presumed nickname with nothing other than their own life experience as the reason. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:02, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure that's enough evidence to support the name "Carlotta" for Carly, but the use of "Terrence" for T-Bo was in the episode "iQ," when he tried to impress Freddie's mother in order to rent a room in the Benson apartment. It would seem plausible that Terrence was the name his mother and/or father gave him. ----DanTD (talk) 03:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

"Carlotta" was at least spoken by a character in the show and the presumption is that a friend would know the formal name for a nickname and not be making things up (unless the show context showed otherwise). I added the reference for "Terrence" per your comment. Thanks for the info. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:25, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Where's Reuben?

Reuben was the kid in iWin a Date that spoke in pseudo Sinatra jibberish. He had a crush on Sam, but she hated him, eventually freaking out on their triple date, because he didn't speak plain English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.176.88 (talk) 19:40, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hobknocker

Many questions relating to the definition of this slang term have been connected with the iCarly usage. However, this is quite recent and the term is much older. It also gets confused with the term 'hobnobber', which refers to someone's tendency to socialise with well-known people. In Britain, the term was originally a description of the large metal door knockers that used to be prevalent. At some point, it was also used to refer to a prominent mons veneris because of the similarity in physical appearance, and I suspect that many of the current sexual connotations devolved from this. TonyP (talk) 11:51, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

I've removed the claim that it is a fictional offensive term. - SummerPhD^v2.0 17:24, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

"Gibby"

Would "Gibby" go before his middle name or after? I think it should be moved to before his middle name. Prcc27 (talk) 00:45, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Nicknames are always in quotes just before the surname. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Carlotta?

Sam only called Carly "Carlotta" in one episode, and she also called her "Carls" in that very same episode that is referenced in the article. Furthermore, in iStill Psycho, when Carly was reading an email from the prison institution that was going to release Nora, she read everyone's full name (including Gibby's rarely referenced real name), but it was apparent the email was addressed to "Carly Shay", not "Carlotta". There is not enough evidence that her name is "Carlotta", and technically, there's just as much evidence that her name is "Carl's".. Prcc27 (talk) 03:15, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

"Carls" is a fairly a obvious familiar nickname formed from either Carlotta or Carly. Basically what friends do to the names of their friends. Carlotta is a formal version of which Carly could be a nickname. What we have in the article does support Carlotta. Other places where she is called her common name don't refute the evidence we have for Carlotta as her formal full name. More about some of this above from 9 years ago in #Namecruft. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

I think you're reading too much into that scene. To me, it was obvious that Sam was just playing around by saying a bunch of variations of Carly's name. Why would an email be sent addressed to Carly's formal name, while all of her friends' full names were used in that email..? Carlotta was most likely just a nickname or was just Sam throwing out a bunch of names that sound like "Carly". Prcc27 (talk) 04:43, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Maybe whoever sent the mail didn't know her full name and used her common name. Just because the others got addressed by their full name doesn't mean Carly was as well given conflicting evidence. It is more likely Sam, as a good friend who would know this sort of thing, really did know Carly's full name and used it. Since it was spoken by a character who would have reason to know it, it is likely correct. Using other variations of her name is just the kind of thing friends do. Carlotta as a name has sufficient in show support to be noted as such in the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

That seems to be based on your own interpretation, rather than any actual evidence. Prcc27 (talk) 05:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The evidence is a character who would have reason to know her full name straight out used in an episode as noted in the reference used in the article. That is sufficient support for it. I make no interpretations. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:38, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

• Yes you are. It is original research to assume that "Carlotta" is her legal name, but "Carls" is her nickname, even though both were used in the same scene. Prcc27 (talk) 05:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Carlotta is a fairly well-known real name. Carly is a common hypocorism of Carlotta. Carls is just another short form variation like Carly and will not be her full name. Having alternative short names does not detract from the use of a well-known as a full name actually being used by a character who would know it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, but I am not satisfied with the reasoning for having Carly's name being listed as "Carlotta". We should either seek a third opinion, or start an RfC. Prcc27 (talk) 22:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm happy with WP:STATUSQUO. If you wish to follow WP:DR that is your prerogative. WP:3O is reasonable since nobody else seems to care and I'll defer to a reasoned third opinion if you wish to pursue this further. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:32, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

FTR, I would change the way that is currently handled – I would change the bold text to just Carly Shay. I would mention that her full name was referred to as "Carlotta" and then cite the episode in question in the character summary itself. I agree with the view that "Carlotta" isn't even close to the "common name" for the character, in the same way that Gibby's (joke-y) full name isn't either – they're pretty close to comparable situations, or similar to Cat from Victorious being called "Caterina" once as well (and FTR, I'd change the way that is handled at the Victorious LoC article too). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:56, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

To be clear, I'd change the way Gibby is handled too: only "Gibby" Gibson should be bolded (and possibly not even Gibson) – the fanciful part of his name should go in the character summary itself as well. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. I still don't think "Carlotta" is her real name, but regardless, I feel like bolding Carlotta gives undue weight to the name she is rarely referred to as. Now that you mention it, ditto for Gibby. Gibby's and Carly's alleged "full names" are only referenced in one episode respectively, and there's too much ambiguity about whether it is their actual first name or not. Freddy's and Sam's real first names however, are referenced in several episodes, so I'm not necessarily opposed to having those still bolded. But are we only going to only bold the common names, like we do on the main iCarly article? Or would Freddy's and Sam's names stay the same? I still would rather say "Carly was called Carlotta by Sam in an episode" than explicitly saying that it is her real name. We shouldn't do original research, unless it is blatantly obvious. Prcc27 (talk) 05:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

For fictional characters, I firmly believe that only the WP:COMMONNAME, not necessarily the "full name", should be in the header, and in the first sentence of the character summary. (FTR, I don't think the names should be bolded at all in an article like this one, as per MOS:NOBOLD – we don't do that at the main TV series articles – but I am unclear whether the "rules" are different at LoC articles as per WP:TVCAST, or whether editors have been incorrectly bolding names for years...) Full names can be included in the character summaries, if they're not the "common name", but they shouldn't be in the first sentence, and they should be sourced to something (secondary source is better, but the first episode the name is said can be used as a primary source for the name). So, yes – I think "Carlotta" and Gibby's "surname" and "full name" can/should be mentioned in the character summary, but only if sourced as I've outlined. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:37, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

What was being done in this article was follow somewhat the way bio articles for real people are handled except with the header replacing the article title with the credited/common name, and the intro sentence using the full name if known and sourced. Mention of the full name by a character who would know it in an episode is sufficient if that episode is used as the reference. In this case Carlotta was mentioned in an episode by a character who would know her name which is why it is in the intro sentence. Since full names are seldom used as in real life among friends there won't be many times in a series where it is mentioned, but once is sufficient to establish it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:27, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree with IJBall that "Carlotta" should not be mentioned in the first sentence of Carly's summary. @IJBall, please correct me if I am mischaracterizing your argument. Prcc27 (talk) 06:31, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

That is correct – I think the first sentence should restate the WP:COMMONNAME – the subsequent character summary can then include the "full name", if applicable (and sourced)... I currently have a question in to WT:MOSTV about the use of bolding at articles like this, but it might be several days before there's any conclusion to that. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:57, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Fictional character articles should not follow WP:BLP conventions IMO, because fictional characters aren't real people. It makes no sense to list WP:COMMONNAMEs in cast lists at the TV show articles but then list rarely (and often never) used "full names" at LoC articles as the "primary" name – that would be entirely inconsistent. IOW, for fictional characters, the "primary" name should always be the WP:COMMONNAME. That is not to say that "full names" should not be mentioned – they can be as I've outlined above. But a full name that is mentioned all of once over the course of an entire TV series should not be the "primary" name for a fictional character. And, indeed, WP:TVCAST already pretty much establishes that it should not be, as per the "names as per credits or common name" part. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:10, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

FTR, this MOS:TV discussion is directly relevant to our discussion here. Based on that discussion, I think we're going to get rid some of the bolded names here and at other articles. For the names that stay bolded, they need to be redirect targets. In this case, the redirect is at Carly Shay not Carlotta Shay, so practically, I think Prcc27 is going to end up winning this one at least on the procedural grounds of MOS:BOLDREDIRECT. (Note: There is also a redirect at Gibby Gibson, but I really question that – it should be at Gibby (iCarly), as in no way shape or form is "Gibby Gibson" the character's common name.) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:15, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Just following up to note that names/bolded names are this article are still problematic, following neither WP:TVCAST nor MOS:BOLDREDIRECT (i.e. the redirect is at Carly Shay, not at Carlotta "Carly" Shay). Summer is approaching, and I may give this article a serious once-over on this issue soon. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I think we should just take a WP:BOLD action and clean these up for compliance with MOS:TV. Unrecognizable full/legal names that mentioned only once or twice don't really belong here... especially if they're mentioned in a passive way or part of a joke. Don't get me started on Orenthal Cornelius Gibby Gibson..... The goal isn't to represent the character's legal name. It's to use the name that readers are likely to recognize. We can still mention the legal names elsewhere in the description, if need be. — Starforce¹³ 03:31, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

New iCarly characters

Are we going to include the new iCarly characters, or maybe start a new article for the characters of the new iCarly..? Prcc27 (talk) 20:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, they should be included in this article. It's all part of the same continuation; and they don't have enough content on their own to justify a split. — Starforce¹³ 21:02, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Cast table

So should we add in the cast table? It was being discussed a while ago, and the consensus seemed to be to put it in when the revival came out. Which it is now. Literally today, literally literally. 51.171.113.150 (talk) 20:48, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I think we can add the cast table now but I think we should break it by the original series vs revival series instead of breaking it by seasons - since Gibby was the only mid-series change.— Starforce¹³ 21:02, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Great! I have done that now @Starforce13: (and @Amaury:), split accordingly. 51.171.113.150 (talk) 21:10, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I've reverted your edit because even though I agreed that we may have a cast table, we need a wider discussion to reach consensus. We also need to define what to actually include in the table. For example, I don't see why we need to break iParty w Victorious or include Sam & Cat. — Starforce¹³ 21:15, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Well Sam & Cat stars an iCarly character and features Gibby, Freddie, and Nora in a guest capacity in-between the series and its revival, and before the revival it was where iCarly ended, so that should be included. The films could be cut out I suppose, but they are films produced as a part of the iCarly episode order (not as a part of the Victorious episode order), and some characters from it did pop up elsewhere as well. The main, recurring and guest tables could be split apart as with the Arrowverse articles maybe? Would that work? 51.171.113.150 (talk) 21:19, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

So far, this article is specific to iCarly, not that entire universe. So, we should stick to iCarly and forget about Sam & Cat. Otherwise, we might find ourselves in Schneider-verse trap where we need to include Victorious, and then that spirals to Drake & Josh and Dangerverse. And it should be main characters only, which, come to think of it, there hasn't been enough changes to justify a table.— Starforce¹³ 21:46, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I briefly put in a cast table only including the iCarly seasons and none of the films. It seems to fit to me, just as much cast variance as say Brooklyn Nine-Nine, with a cast member leaving, a guest and recurring one being promoted, and new characters being introduced in the sequel series. 51.171.113.150 (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Most shows put cast tables for both the mains and recurring, so I think inserting a cast table shouldn't be solely for the main cast. I'm not sure what's the reasoning for never having a cast table all this while, but with the series having a revival now, adding a main cast table AND a recurring table would make reading this article easier since majority of the cast on here do not have the seasons that they appeared in, listed. Furthermore, if the reasoning was the size of the page, there are too many non-importance characters listed on here, and the structure of arranging the characters itself is weird: Main, Recurring, Ridgeway Junior High School, Minor, and Guest. Rather than trying to put every character that has ever appeared on the series in the list, maybe you should start arranging them on importance and whether they are significant enough to be in the list. And instead of creating a section for each character, maybe just not? Side note: editors don't need to discuss and achieve consensus for something as small as placing a cast table. Once someone has placed the cast table and you believe it's not worthy enough to be in the page, then discuss for its removal cause cast tables in character lists (for shows with more than 1 season and/if there's at least 1 change in cast credit) are normal. Also, pinging @Amaury: since I've notice you have been frequently reverting the cast table edits by other users (and showing your huge disagreement on cast tables) yet did not contribute anything to the discussion on here about having one or not. 115.134.64.230 (talk) 11:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

For the record, I personally oppose cast tables, but I suspect the IP above is just an IP hopper, which doesn't help their case. Amaury • 15:06, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: It doesn't matter what you personally think, this page does not belong to you. You've been reverting cast table edits because of your own preference, and not thinking about the page at all. Also, being an IP hopper changes nothing. This is about the reasoning as to why to not include a cast table. And your reasoning further proves that it's fine to have the cast table, the problem is that you personally hate cast tables, so your argument is invalid. If you can't give a proper reasoning on why the table shouldn't be on this page, then the table will be added back and then discuss on why it should be removed, cause like I said, adding cast tables is normal for character lists with cast billing changes. Signing as 115.134.64.230 (talk) with IP 115.134.145.220 (talk) 02:32, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Amaury: Hi, right, so 115.134.64.230 is not me. I agree with you that the table should not be added yet, but do think it should be added later. 51.171.113.150 (talk) 03:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I also oppose adding a cast table. Cast tables should only be used in situations of long-running series with complicated cast situations (IOW, with lots of departing and new cast over the course of the series). It absolutely is unhelpful in a case like this where we effectively have two completely different TV series with only a few cast members in common. That is almost certainly better handled in prose, and with section headings. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:21, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I oppose adding a cast table mostly for reasons IJBall stated. It is mostly visual noise in an article where it isn't really making the information easier to understand. In general I end up skipping over them and using the TOC and the actually content for info I need. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Oh, there are definitely articles where a cast table is a net positive (e.g. List of Melrose Place characters, or for an extreme example List of Grey's Anatomy cast members (first main cast table only – the second one should be deleted) – though the first cast table is actually so "busy" that it may not help as much as it could...). But this isn't helpful in the slightest – it's entirely redundant with what we can already get out of prose and individual sections in the article, and isn't helpful in making any data more readily intelligible. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:24, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Sam and Cat

I know Cat is from Victorious but should we add a section for that show or are we keeping them separate?

Also should we include TBo? I know he's not a main character but he is in all but one episode of season 6. Noah4000 (talk) 15:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Noah4000: The topic right above this one ("Cast table") appears to oppose putting in a cast table in the first place (Special:Permalink/1208136616#Cast table for reference, in case it's archived), so I don't know how it is in the article right now. It's probably enough of a consensus toward opposing it, though small. Anyway, whether there's a table or not, I don't think Sam & Cat characters should be in an article talking specifically about iCarly characters, even though they have one main character in common ("Sam"), and there's some overlap with a few other characters (like "Freddy" and "Gibby" appearing in one Sam & Cat episode). MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:35, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok I understand also even if we did include S&C then it'll just be a mess because we'll have to include the Victorious characters since Cat is from that show and Victorious isn't even related to ICarly except for IParty With Victorious and the spinoff. Noah4000 (talk) 16:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)