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Flag images

Several of these should have been made with borders -- they had borders on the original page. The white-on-white color scheme doesn't make for easy visualization of the flags. Squamate 18:36, 12 September 2007‎ (UTC)[reply]

Catalan Republic

Now that is has been disestablished, should we add the Catalan Republic (2017) to this list? LoneWolf1992 (talk) 4:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Provisional Revolutionary Government of Cibao section is too long

This section seems far too verbose when compared to the other states on this list. Perhaps someone more familiar than me with editing can trim it down a little? AlisterSinclair (talk) 18:01, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vermont

It seems misleading to say that the Vermont Republic became the State of Vermont. During the 14 years of independence of Vermont, it was occasionally referred to as the Vermont Republic, and that term might be considered one of the official names for it since it appeared on coins, but in its constitution and for most official purposes it was called the State of Vermont, and moreover, when it was admitted to the Union as the 14th state, it did not acquire a new state constitution or a new governor or other new officers of the state. Rather the Constitution of the State of Vermont that had been in force since 1786 (which had superseded the 1777 constitution) continued in effect, and the governor of the State of Vermont whose term under that constitution had begun almost five months earlier continued with that term of office under the same constitution and laws as before, and likewise other officers of the state. And the act of Congress that admitted the state of Vermont said that the entity that had asked them for admission was "the State of Vermont." So what happened was not that something became something, but rather that the status of something changed (in an important way).

So the question is: How should the terse statements here be phrased consistently with that while remaining suitably terse? Michael Hardy (talk) 17:57, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

. . . and now I've rephrased it by changing "Became the State of Vermont" to "Admitted to the Union as the State of Vermont, after a compromise ended its jurisdictional disputes with New York." Michael Hardy (talk) 18:08, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

French communes

You removed all revolutionary communes like Paris Commune... for no reason. I don't understand. Risikas (talk) 10:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason given was that the entry for the Paris Commune was unsourced; it does strike me that there might be significant debate as to whether the Commune constituted a "state". AntiDionysius (talk) 10:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thank you! Risikas (talk) 10:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion

German soviet republics

Hello! In 1918, 3 republics were created after the end of German Empire: Bavarian soviet republic, Bremen soviet republic and Wurzburg soviet republic. I didn't see them in the article so I ask to add them. Reason: Alsace soviet Republic is in the page so why the 3 others couldn't be in. Risikas (talk) 09:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bavaria and Bremen are already listed. The attempt to form a Wurzburg soviet was put down in about 24 hours, so doesn't meet the inclusion criteria. For inclusion, states must have de facto control over a territory and some form of organised government. DrKay (talk) 10:30, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your answer Risikas (talk) 18:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Philippines

One of the inclusion crityeria us "de facto control over a territory or a significant portion of the territory ...". Given that, I question the includion of Sovereign Tagalog Nation#Bonifacio and Republic of Biak-na-Bato. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:39, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since they're not cited, they can be removed. DrKay (talk) 16:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those two entries have now been removed by another editor. It now strikes me that the following other Philippines entries also do not meet the inclusion criteria:

I've mentioned this section over at the Philippines Wikiproject talk page in case of interest there. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC) I've removed those additional four items. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

United States

Should the U.S. be here? Before 1783, United States referred to thirteen states and was not itself a state. In 1783, it became a state by becoming the successor state of each of the original states. Before then it had no power to agree to treaties on behalf of any state. TFD (talk) 18:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my unschooled opinion it should be included. The United States Declaration of Independence does say, "The Declaration explains to the world why the Thirteen Colonies regarded themselves as independent sovereign states [...]", but the Articles of Confederation article says, "The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union was an agreement among the 13 states of the United States, formerly the Thirteen Colonies, that served as the nation's first frame of government. [...] It came into force on March 1, 1781," The text of the Articles includes: "Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America in Congress assembled", which seems to establish the designation United States of America.

Beylik of Mastchoh

The beylik of mastchoh is a microstate led by Sayyid Ahmad-xoʻja Ovliyoxoʻja Eshon oʻgʻli. It is located inside the Khanate of Bukhara. It was created in 1920 during the russian civil war and invaded in 1923 by red army. The page is only available in french. Is it possible to add it? Risikas (talk) 18:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the title of the French article? —Tamfang (talk) 17:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is fr:Beylicat de Mastchoh 2001:861:5700:1A00:9523:A7CA:3E7C:E291 (talk) 06:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]